For those of you that will try and debunk me in the comments: I’ll get the world’s smallest violin started for you guys….
Let’s checkout this week’s games…
*If you looked at the boxscore of game one, it would have looked like a game where Brett and Johnny got to dominate us in their amusement. Remember, we are all just pawns in their little “game.” But, Brett decided not to show. So it was just the Johnny show…or was it? Hold on a second! Wait a minute! Not to toot my own horn, but I had three points! Three! The game started out with a quick goal by Johnny (guess who the assist came from) 1-0 dark team. Then a goal from Nick (it was an excellent shot from the point by the way) 2-0 Dark team. Johnny and Nick actually alternated goals in the first game. 5-0 Final. “Smart Hockey, nothing fancy”, said one astute player.
*So, Brendon how about we define the word interference for you, huh?
Interfere- to act reciprocally so as to augment, diminish, or otherwise affect one anotherNow Brendon, I understand you can spin this definition anyway you want so I’m going to leave no leg for you to stand on. I understand that your job is to “effect” or “diminish” your opponents effectiveness. I understand. But what you need to realize is that there is a line. Quit crossing it! That’s all that should be said. If you cant understand that then there is nothing I can do for you. In game two, aided by Brendon, who was “not interfering”, the tides turned. The white team managed to reverse a 5-0 loss in game one into a 5-1 win in game two. “Despite two rookies on defense all night we did a solid job”, said one white team player. The white team got their goals from 4 different players; one goal each for Joe, Dale, Danny and two from the amazing Brendon Martino, respectively. “Unlike game one, we played as a team…It was fun” said one player. John Riley had the only goal for the dark team. Johnny may still be yelling at Bradley for his game two “performance.”
*Game three was the competitive game played. 5-4 final It went back and forth all night. “Everyone was tired, the game never ended”, said one player. The highlight of that game was Brad. Of course it was about something he didn’t do. The score was 4-3, Nick brought the ball down, and was left with no one to pass to (yes its surprising that no one came down with me…). Nick ended up having to make a pass to the point. The pass was a perfect one to Johnny who created a play. As he started to storm down to the net the defense collapsed toward him leaving Brad wide open. Johnny made the perfect pass. Brad took three attempted “shots” at the empty net and failed miserably each time. Borderline pathetic. “HE HAD LIKE 10 MINUTES”, said one player. Soon after the white team tied it at 4 and Johnny was freaking out. Luckily for Brad, Johnny managed to finish the game. 5-4 Final
Nick’s Ramblings
Brendon, I don’t mean to pick on you but…I got to do what is necessary. Dale, do you have a clue what it means to be “offsides”? It’s not just you, in fact most of you don’t. It isn’t a hard concept to grasp. Call it if it clearly off, if it’s not clear, keep it to yourself. Advice directed toward unnamed individual(s): don’t ask for someone to praise you. It makes you look worse. Should I expect a “full” group next week? Only 2 or 3 more weeks of hockey left for the year. Lee, you played an excellent game…which leads me to the WPR's that matter….
5. Joe
4. Nick
3. Johnny
2. Lee
1. Jack
42 comments:
Brendon, here is the play:
Joe had the puck in the corner, Lee was facing him trying to defend him. You were behind Lee trying to lift and hook his stick. That is interference. You are in no way allowed to make ANY contact with someone who does not have the puck. That is what interference is. That is why you are not allowed to set picks in hockey like you can in basketball.
There are times when there is a little flexibility in that, like if 2 guys are battling in front of the net. However that is not what happened: Lee was trying to defend Joe in the corner of the rink and you tried interfering with Lee from behind. That is not allowed. Sorry if you didn't like that, but those are the rules...you were the only one who didn't think so.
And you know what? On that attempted breakaway you had, you pushed me out of the way trying to get the ball...again, BEFORE I was anywhere near it. I caught up to you and bumped you off of the puck when you had possession (and did not use my elbow).
Look, I don't care to make a big deal out of it, and don't want a 100 posts on this subject. Just know what the rule is so that it's not a problem this Sunday.
"Nick, your lack of hockey knowledge is quite understandable. You're a lackey. You're just following John's lead."
No knowledge? Look I may not have the best hockey knowledge. I know that much is true. But, when every player you do it to calls it a dirty play, its fairly obvious that it shouldnt be done. It doesnt take a knowledgable person to realize that.
Like John, I dont want a big deal out of it. I doesnt matter if you think you are correct, enough people think you are wrong so stop.
Sorry Brendon,I'm out of work sick today so I don't really feel like going through your crap.
This is what you posted:
"A player who is behind an opponent, who does not have the puck, may not use his stick, body or free hand in order to restrain his opponent, but must skate in order to gain or reestablish his proper position in order to make a check."
You also posted this: "Stick: A player or goalkeeper who does not have body position on his opponent, who uses his stick (either the blade or the shaft, including the butt-end of the shaft) to impede or prevent his opponent from moving freely on the ice shall be assessed a hooking penalty."
And finally this: "A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who restrains an opponent who is attempting to fore-check."
Using the rules you posted yourself it is clearly illegal. I have been watching hockey for over 20 years, I know what inteference is...I don't need to dissect a rulebook - but I did just for you :)
Finally Brendon, you have no idea what an elbow feels like apparently. Do no accuse me of throwing an elbow, because I did not - I do not play dirty. Just like last week when you accused me of cross checking you when I bumped you with my shoulder. Even my father was laughing at you with your antics on Sunday when I stole the puck from you behind the net and you started calling inteference.
Sorry to say, but you're not always right.
john I hate to agree with brendan, but he is right this time. lifting a stick is not a penalty unless it results in a slash or hook or some other penalty. as long as he didnt prevent lee from moving he didnt commit any penalty here.
Was the ball going toward Lee or did Joe still have possession of it? If Joe still had possession and Brendon went over and lifted Lee's stick, that's interference. Lifting the stick interfered with Lee's ability to defend another player.
I tend to side with John, the reasonable, objective, fair and just man that he is. :)
No sarcasm. I just think John's being a bit more objective than, ahem, a certain someone in this discussion. :)
But Brendon, if, like you said, the ball was going to Lee, were you making a play on the ball or just stopping him from getting it? It doesn't sound like you were in a position to...
Whoops, let me finish that sentence:
"It doesn't sound like you were in a position to play the ball. So I think it's a quesion of intent."
Rules, schmules. I want to know if your intent was to play the ball with Lee or to prevent him from making a play on Joe. Sounds like most people felt that Joe had possession, which in that case, you interefered.
Lenny thats rediculous! Lifting a stick isnt interfering with his ability to defend! It is preventing him from stealing the puck! Thats the right way to play!
"and the pass would have been to me, and Lee was defending. So the pass would not have ever been intended to Lee, but to me."
So you're saying that the pass hadn't happened yet? You were anticipating the pass, but Joe still had possession. In that case, again, it's interference.
Veteran (who sounds a lot like Reggie), if you have the ball, fine, you can lift the stick.
But if you're third man in, no way.
Reggie says: What do you mean Veteran sounds like Reggie. I'm me. And I made one lousy post on this flame laden blog of board in the last two weeks. Reading the rants and interpretations on this board makes for solid amusement while eating my lunch. That being said, now that Lenny is done for the season. I will be returning in two weeks!!!
"Also, anyone on your team will be biased, so their opinions don't matter."
Brendon is so cool.
"2. "Rules, schmules" Are you kidding me? Then why have rules?? If I'm right, then the rule backs me up. If I'm wrong, the rule will clearly show that my action was illegal"
Brendon forget your interpretation of the rule(s) for a moment.
You need to realize that just because the NHL allows it, doesn’t mean you should be doing it at hockey town. We are there to have fun, unnecessary contact with a person because you thought a play was going to happen is uncalled for.
Nick, if we're going to play differently from NHL rules (e.g. center-line offsides) it has to be noted before game time. All other rules follow suit. Else how would anyone know what the rules are? I haven't heard anyone explicitly define a custom rule for interference in Hockey Town. If it's going to be different from the NHL rule, we all have to know about it ahead of time.
Nick, Lenny and John are fighting a losing battle here. I will stick up for Brendon. I don't want to play by some set of rules that were made up without me, and apply only to Hockey Town, unless I know about it and everyone agrees to it. So either define the rule now, or else play by the NHL rules.
Okay, let's simplify things here: as was said, Joe had the ball in the corner. Joe had not tried to pass it yet. Lee was facing Joe. Brendon was behind Lee. Brendon repeatedly kept trying to lift Lee's stick while Joe still had the puck.
Now, if a pass was made and Brendon tried to lift Lee's stick so that he could get the ball, that's one thing. In this case that is not what happened. Brendon kept trying to lift Lee's stick the entire time that Joe had the ball. Again, you are not allowed to do that. Otherwise anyone can just run with someone the entire time and lift their stick any time they feel like it even if the ball is down the other end of the rink.
As for "making up the rules as we go", this was something that did not lead to a goal. Lee called Brendon out on it when he kept doing it, and I saw it and told Brendon it can't be done anymore. It's not like it took a goal away from them (in fact I think they kept possession of it). So to come on today and whine about and post the rulebook is ridiculous.
The fact of the matter is, as Nick said, we do not keep every NHL rule - otherwise guys would be getting checked left and right, we'd have referees and be calling icing, etc. Sometimes rules have to be common sense.
Brendon, either way, it will not be allowed in Saugus.
Frankly it depends on who you believe.
I guess I will cop out.
Brendon is right on the rules. I agree with that. But what is in question is what exactly Brendon was doing. Johnny believes he was hooking. Brendon claims he wasn’t. Brendon is right if you believe that he wasn’t hooking. John is right if you believe Brendon was. It’s that simple.
Lee freaked out when Brendon did it to him. He was yelling. I believe Brendon crossed a line. Though, its debatable.
Look "Pro Player", I don’t want separate rules either. But the NHL allows you to bring contact to a level that we shouldn’t be doing. In hockey contact happens, but we need to police ourselves so it doesn’t escalate a stupid situation. Almost as stupid as this conversation.
how come everyone that is backing Brendon has an alias? Could be Brendon himself?
Brendon! we do not play in the NHL. We play street hockey. Only quote me street hockey rules please. The main street hockey rule on any website is play the ball not the body. You played Lee's stick so you lose.
I say, WHO CARES?
no! a stick on stick play is not interference only slashing could be called.
i'm back
what if someone is winding up for a onetimer and you obstruct their stick with your stick so that they miss the ball? Not interference, it's just a good play. it happens all the time
Brett, that's if a pass is being made - you cannot obstruct them if someone else has possession of the puck.
its true we don't play in the NHL, if we did johnny's goal when my glove came off wouldn't have counted.
you can hit their stick all you want as long as it doesn't break.
We don't play by nhl rules?
Ok then there's no off-sides, or there's no goals! of course we play by nhl rules don't be such a dope!
i know i wasn't there, but Johnny you see guys infront of the net in the nhl and there's always body contact, nevermind stick on stick, and they don't call it. stick on stick is fine no matter where it is or where the ball is. Just don't break the persons stick
Brett, go to bed.
wow, these are some of the longest post.
I wasn't there and will be honest couldn't get myself to read all of this.
we do play NHL rules (for the most part)
When you watch games a call is only generally called when the person makes contact with the stick up around the hands. It may be a rule, but it's like traveling in basketball, hardly ever called.
I wasn't there so I didn't see it.
If you really watch our games there is interference all the time. if someone tips the puck off the boards and then tries to run around the defender, technically he should not be touched - that is an NHL rule because he no longer has possesion of the puck (they were talking about it last night) We impeed the offensive player ALL THE TIME..
Looks like I missed an interesting week.
Brett, I agree with what you wrote about plays in front of the net, but that is not what happened. Go back and re-read the scenario of what I wrote happened, or I'll just show you on Sunday so you understand.
Brendon, I just don't think you were playing by the rules on that play on Sunday. Again, using that logic, anyone at anytime can lift somebody's stick even if the ball is completely down the other end of the rink. As somebody is trying to run to forecheck / backcheck, somebody else can be running with them lifting their stick the entire time...that does not make any sense.
Brendon, I will demonstrate to everyone on Sunday what you did. It was not a dirty play, simply illegal (why do you think Lee was yelling at you in the first place). To be clear, we will establish what can and can't be done in that situation on Sunday.
Brendon gets the Award for complaining about the rules
John gets the Award for not knowing the rules
Lee gets the Award for crying about the rules
Nick gets the Award for schadenfreude
"Nick gets the Award for schadenfreude"
"Schadenfreude is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others"
I have never had a word describe me so perfectly.
I remember my first week at hockey. I was playing defense against Ron. Ron didnt have the ball and I made contact with his stick a few times. All of sudden Ron yelled "John, he cant make contact with me if I dont have the ball" John told me to stop, i stopped.
The leason: Just stop.
The real lesson: always obey John so his team can win.
Anonymous that was perfect
nxt time someone hits my stick im going to complain to mommy - i mean john.
If John tells me to jump, I don't ask how high, I just jump.
Then I wash and wax his car. Then I cut his grass and cook him a delicius dinner. Because that's just plain sense.
My car could use a good cleaning...are you free this weekend?
This is my first comment ever on this site. Nick, you are asking me if I even know what offsides is. I think I know hockey rules at least 3 times more than you do. Firstly, You weren't even born when I started playing hockey. I have played on organized ice hockey teams and floor hockey teams in high school, I coached a high school floor hockey team to a championship and I also went to Phillips Exeter Academy ice hockey school to learn the game. If you want to know the rule, When a player's WHOLE body is over the line BEFORE the puck, it is offsides. I saw the player in question at least a foot and a half over the line before the ball went over. I was 3 feet from the play and you well over 20 feet away. Also, your back was to the play heading for the net. I was facing the play. I don't call offsides on plays that are an 1' or 2 inches off, as you suggest. I also can't believe you are still harping on this play. WHO IS BEING PETTIE, ME OR YOU? It had no effect on the outcome of the game. And like I said to your face (and not hiding behind this website), NOT EVERY PLAY GOES YOUR WAY, NICK!! I hope you will be able to get over this and move on with your life. I don't appreciate you calling me out and I am not a liar. I have agreed with the opposition on calls that went against my team on many occasions. I have a right to call a play, even if you don't personally like it. That was the only play I called all night. Did you hear me calling offsides all night? NO! Anything I said here, I will say to your face, if you need me to. Lastly, people can say what they want about me, I know one thing... I'm not a dirty player and I try hard to give an honest effort even if a lot of guys don't seem to like me. But, if you want to call me out, you should expect me to defend myself.
The only time I touch anyone's stick deliberately is when I try to lift it up to make someone miss the ball. I never try to swing my stick downward like a slash. It's always up. And it's only a just few inches upward, so it doesn't hit someone in the face. I stay out of trouble that way and it does the job. Plus swinging your stick around is a good way to hurt someone or at the least: start an argument, like this one. Remember guys, we don't get payed to play hockey and it's not worth hurting your brother for the sake of a game that means absolutely nothing. The less stickwork, the better.
i didnt realize I was harping on the issue...lol. In fact, you were only in a one sentence blurb, and then I generalized it to not invlove you. Dale I have said much worse on other posts. keep reading.
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