It was a week that was headlined by another attempt at greatness by John and Jared. It was our last week with Dave as he ventures back to Idaho. It was our first week without an appearance by a Driscoll. It was a week that saw laziness, ineptitude, disillusions and a whole host of other un-explainable attitudes. It certainly was a fun week to be a part of. Especially if you weren’t John Riley (or Brad Dearden for that matter).
Quick Game Overview:
Game 1: I have to admit, I didn’t see this outcome. The Dark team had Dave, John and Jared. The White team had Ron and a bunch of solids. One team played well together, the other, yelled at each other. Which technique resulted in a win? I hope it’s obvious. The white team came away with a 5-1 win and Johnny was, well, in a word, frustrated. Steve played solid in net with solid defensive cast around him. Ron sprinkled in some slap-shots.
Game 2: Before game two started John was so frustrated (for lack of a better term) that he yelled at any whittey (you like?) that came over for casual conversation. He told them to leave. To get out! I’d say it worked after a great turn around with a 5-0 victory but, I’m not sold. Steve defensive help broke down and the white team’s offensive could muster nothing against the defensive prowess that is Brad and Davis. I wrote that with a straight face. Game three would turn out to be the rubber game, who would come out on top?
Game 3: This is when the excuse party started for the Dark team. “My goalie is too hot”. “My winger is sick”. “The white team hacks my shins”. Cry baby I wish you were here this week. Break out the soap box, the excuse roll-a-dex. It was a hard fought win for the white team that was capped off with another break away goal and game winner by Nick. I’m still shocked myself. 5-2 Final score.
MVP for the Dark team: Danny Nelson
MVP for the White team: Ron Leger (use a French accent on the last name)
My Weekly Chat with Scout:
Scout: What’s shaken bacon?
Nick: Not much here homeslice.
Scout: Same here bud. It was just another week at hockey town.
Nick: It was on a Saturday this week though.
Scout: Much better isn’t it? I’m sitting and relaxing on a Sunday night. I get to watch Desperate Housewives.
Nick: Eva Longoria?
Scout: I’m a big fan.
Nick: Yeah, she’s a great actress.
Scout: Another benefit to a Saturday game is I get to rest all Sunday. Not tired for work the next day, and I’m on full sleep.
Nick: I’d say it leads to better recaps too.
Scout: That’s a stretch.
Nick: Your thoughts on week two of the Johnny and Jared combo.
Scout: It was better, but nothing great. Johnny seemed more focused on riding Brad.
Nick: Poor Brad.
Scout: Poor…poor…Brad.
Nick: I don’t feel that bad…get over it. You got some sort of man crush going on
Scout: umm…
Brendon: You better get out of my way fool before I bust you up! You hear?
Nick: What was that?
Scout: Didn’t you hear? If you are in Brendon’s way you have to move…immediately. No one is allowed to play defense against him.
Nick: That doesn’t make sense.
Scout: It’s Brendon.
Nick: Now that makes sense.
Scout: Now, can you clear something for me? If everyone moves out of his way and he doesn’t have to fight his way through a defense why does he get so tired?
Nick: Tried?
Scout: I saw him sitting several times-instead of subbing. He had to have been tired.
Nick: Perhaps, he communicates with his teammates too much. It tires him.
Scout: That can’t be it. Brendon is against communication. I say he spent a lot of time teaching John how to take a slap shot.
Nick: His slap shot has improved.
Scout: You didn’t say that with a straight face.
Nick: Jared really did look sick yesterday.
Scout: Yeah, he didn’t play much defense last night.
Nick: A clear sign that he was under the weather.
Scout: I hear that you found out who Cry baby is?
Nick: Hey, don’t be grilling me.
Nick’s Ramblings:
Griff your attendance is starting to look like Reggie’s. That’s almost unacceptable. Lee, you made several bad plays, you were awful. That’s what you want to hear, right? I’m just kidding. It was a solid day for you in my opinion. You bailed me out a few times. Hey Chris, how are the boys? Ouch babe. I’d say I’m sorry but…Dan Nelson was solid. He was really the only defender for the Dark team all night. So WPR, are you making an appearance this week? Who will fill you in? Brad, you need to be on Ron’s team. He won’t yell at you. The mustache is his intimidator. Hey Jared, if you hit the post next week on a shot I’ll give a whole segment. I still wonder if I have enough material. Anyone notice that Report Card is gone? The exact same time as another player from HT disappeared…hmm. By the way Ron, I can do a meatloaf referance too. It was really hot yesterday. Dave was sweating before he had a pad on...have fun back in idaho, and we are counting on you..lol. Funniest moment on Saturday was when Jared told Brendon to grow up. Hahaha...anyone else enjoy the irony?
129 comments:
nice recap nick...very long though.
man nick can you talk. Very entertaining.
i agree nick, that middle game was crap, they got so lucky with a shutout. Outplayed all three games!
Nice recap nick the yelling was fine i should of play better
For the record, no one on the black team played well in game 1. I wasn't aggressively enough defensively, Jared and Chris couldn't pass, and our D simply gave the puck to the White team far too often (both in the offensive and defensive zones). Bradley just also happened to play maybe the worst he's played since his first year playing.
However, to his and the team's credit, the effort was much better in game 2. Bradley also played some of his best hockey from that point on. Props to him for taking the criticism and stepping up his game.
Let's hear your commentary for game 3
I'm trying to figure this out. Somebody help me...
With the combo of Jared and Johnny. Which according to the all powerful, stats don't lie ... STAT SHEET are Number 1 and Number 2.
If that wasn't enough, give them the better Riley and they still can't post a winning record on the afternoon.
Is it about the lack of chemistry? I don't believe that...
They had talent to support them. So that's no excuse.
I can only come up with one reason. Match up problems.
If my memory is correct, the only four people who are the constant between the last two weeks of winning are Ron, Brendon, Nick, and Joe, right? The first week Mike P and Darrin chipped in on offense. This week it was Mike D and sprinkle in a little Joe and Nick rotating between D and O. So the question is, is that combo of those four players (plus whoever else ends up on their team) too much for Johnny and Jared to overcome? If so, then all those stats, they all seem to be non-indicators of how good they are vs other people. Is the top 4 or 5 or 6 people really that close in talent, despite what the numbers will have you believe? Poll time!
Top 5 people I won't take advice from
5. Bench players - If you're on the bench, SHUT UP. Don't tell me how to play from the back row. Put on your opera glasses and let me do my job.
4. John - Ok, I'll take advice from him, but not during the game. Its irritating, and its hard to be directed around by him when theres confusion and you have to abandon your hockey instincts to do something else. Is he right? Sometimes. Its better advice off the ice though. During the game, its usually not the best time to tell people how to play, unless you are just telling someone to cover a man because you have the other one. Communication is good on the ice. Yelling and explaining how to play is not.
3. Dale - Does he know how to play hockey? Yes. Is he good at explaning it? No. His advice is purely theortical and never has any chance of being applied realistically in a game. It's like saying to you: hey, play like Malkin today, and I'll play like Crosby, ok? No.
2. Brad - It's hard to take anything he says seriously. Especically when he's not just the worst player on a team, but an actual handicap. I mean, who's the worst player on a pro hockey team? They're still better than us. If we were all great, someone would have to be the "worst" wouldn't they? But they could still be really good anyway. Just not better than the rest. Brad isn't. He's the opposite of that. Don't say anything except yes sir, can I have another.
1. Mike D - All those jokes about doing roids really irriate him, but it doesn't help his cause when he blows up at people during gameplay. Talk about it on the bench, not on the ice. Yelling at people during the game is a Johnny trait, so watch out you don't get that rap. Oh, and by the way, you're not as good as Johnny, so its even worse when you yell because no one wants to hear that from someone who isnt carrying the team.
Top 5 people I do take advice from
5. Brett - Brett can be a pain in the neck, but a good one. He motivates his team rather than brings them down, and he doesn't yell at people on the ice (too much) and usually only says something if there's a major problem that needs to be fixed (or escorted off the ice).
4. Dave - If dave gives advice, it's because he knows what is going to work for him, and what won't. If you listen to him, you become a much better defenseman.
3. Joe - Joe usually gives defensive advice only, and not a whole lot, but when he says something, it usually has a lot of merit.
2. Jared - Surprised? Yeah me too. kidding. But really, Jared does give good advice. He just needs to tone down the in-game complaining and it will be easier to listen to.
1. Ron - He always has the best advice, and he gives it when it does the most good. On the bench, not on the ice.
Ron, care to elaborate on matchups?
As for Game 3, I mentioned it in the other thread: while it was tied at 2, right before a faceoff, Dave told me he was spent. He then gives up two quick goals that he would not have given up earlier in the game...in fact he admitted on the way home that he really didn't try too hard on them. If Dave had the energy there is a very good chance we win the third game, as we were right there with the White team up until that point. All of that on a day when Jared was not himself. So no, it's not too much to overcome.
That being said, Joe and Nick both make an impact on D, and this year that definitely should be taken into account when making up the teams. Offensively there is still a large gap from the top 4 offensively, but the impact of good defense cannot be overlooked, especially when 2 good defenseman are paired together.
I will backup Johnny on this one. After game 2 I had very little left. It was hot and humid, two things we don't have in Idaho, and the last time I played anything before this month was months ago. Perhaps if I was 20 and in shape again I would have been able to go for another few hours, but as we all can see, that's not the case. I simply tried to stay to the middle of the net and hope shots would hit me.
Not to take anything away from Ron's goals, because he had a decent chance of scoring no matter what, but I didn't go down to stop his shots in game three, which is what I always do, and his goals were scored low. I will say I tried hard on Nick's breakaway at the end, and he just got a good rebound.
Then again, I'm also not saying that we had a great chance of winning, either. Simply stating the fact that I had nothing left to give for game three.
Also, it's pretty hard to say that a SHUTOUT is a fluke. I can understand saying you lost a game that you outplayed the other team, but not if you were shutout.
ok anonymous, the only thing I yelled from the bench was at brendon who was sitting, yeah SITTING on the ice next to steve.
If you don't like it - TOO BAD
I bet I could carry a team better than you, so put your name up and let you and me pick teams.
We'll go head to head
I'm calling you out, are you gonna have the guts to step up. If not then shut up!!
Really , give credit where credit is due. We pulled it together for game 2. Not a fluke, just outplayed that game!
I do think the teams were good.
I think this week was better than last week. No excuses, you beat us pretty good. We had very little defensive presence that was consistent, I must admit my defense was way off.
Oh, yes, I apologize for running people over.
No Mike, I wasnt even thinking of when you yelled at him. You were yelling at your whole team. Maybe thats just frustration, but you cant take advice from people who post their names so maybe you'll take this anonymous advice and stop yelling at your teammates. I wasnt even on your team this week and it was pretty obvious, although its worse when im on your team. You cant boss people around out there. It just doesnt work.
Who do I boss around?
are you talking about when I play center and yell out who I have or yell out who's open?
That is part of the game
So be specific and why not post your name?
what are you afraid of?
new poll
Does Mike boss people around while playing hockey?
Throw it up there Nick
Mike you blew up my plan to get Brendon to come out of hiding. I think it was him that posted that initial comment about taking advice.
If it was him… then you’re Mad Mike Message just killed any hope of that :)
Brendon comments, or whoever posted it, was an interesting read.
I think there are a lot of people worth listening to for advice, Brendon included. We actually shared some game philosophy on the bench together.
My motto with this group of guys is based on the KISS method. You know that that stands for right?
Keep It Simple Stupid
Oh. I thought it was Knights in Satans Service. No? Some people misled me then.
I think it was tpj who posted it. Who else would have him at #2 for advice?????
All excuses aside i thought the teams were pretty close, we got outscored 10-8 or maybe 9 (i thought first game was 5-2). It's not like we got blown out last week.
I notice no denial from TPJ on the advice post.
all I know is I scored off of Steve... maybe I should keep paying you off.
Not bad for a basketball player!!!
Yes I am giving myself props!!! someone has too.
Chris, you don't need to pay Steve off - you beat him with a good shot!
As you get better at carrying the ball you should become more comfortable holding onto it and be able to create more plays. You tend to force some passes right now, but as time goes on you'll get better at that.
On the plus side you are already doing pretty well carrying the ball up the wing and running past / thru the defenseman on that side. I'd like to see you get to the front of the net a bit more. If you can start scoring from there you will be a nightmare for defenders trying to cover you.
take the lack of support as the answer to the poll question Mike
Thanks John, thats what I will work on. Gettin in front of the net!
You and Jared are clicking better than you were the first week.
better support staff and you'll be there.
Chris in front of the net?? Setting up screens? No! TPJ will demand a trade! Oh, wait, he's on the good side of this deal. Oh no! It looks bad for our heros!
that post didn't make sense
Some people take things said on this site way too personally. Some feel that comments cross the line. Not Brett, apparently. He's a habitual line-stepper. he doesn't care, but others obviously do. So instead of stepping on toes and naming the individual (brett would say why not name them?) lets just call him Frank. Frank's production hasn't been what it should be lately and it isn't really even close to what we saw last year, despite the numbers being on pace for a similar season. Here are my observations on Frank: Part of it is bad communication (not that there is no communication, just plain bad. yelling, frustration, etc. it happens to all of us.) but part of it is not playing within the team's strategy. If we want to play a dump and chase strategy, then when you have the puck deep in our own zone and the other team is putting tons of pressure on us, wing it out past the center line so they have to clear our zone and let the forwards chase the puck. Dont try to be cute and make a lead pass up the middle or side that doesn't reach the center line. They're waiting on those passes like safteies or dbs in football, ready to make a pick, watching your eyes. Those are the times when they intercept a bad pass that doesn't make it out of the zone, and fire it on the net, catching us out of position and rebounds usually get put in the net. Remember, icing isn't called, no matter how much Jared complains about it. It's not a turnover. Its a good play. And it IS a turnover when you dont clear the zone and they intercept it. Better to turn the ball over outside our zone than inside it. Plus, they, on the other team, are also "icing" the puck. So if we don't do it, then they clearly have the advantage, because they are forcing our forwards to run back more, and they have the benefit of not having to run back to clear the zone, because we refuse to "ice" the puck. That means guys like Jared and John and Ron don't have to run as much, don't get tired as much, and can stay out there longer without subbing, which hurts your defense any way you look at it. If we were calling offsides, then I would say don't do it because its fair both ways and then they would also be prone to turnovers in their zone since they would also be cautious not to ice the puck. However, since we don't call it, ice the puck (or just get it over the line, if you dont like the term icing). Our forwards can do more with the puck deep in their zone than deep in our zone. So why not just ice it and let them put the pressure on the other teams defense and maybe they turn it over to us in their zone, right? Does that make sense? Im not just harping on you Frank*. Other people like Roger* and Giraldo* and Edwardo are also to blame for similar gameplay issues (* some of the names have been changed). When you start playing smarter, you wont have to play so hard just to make a simple play on the ball. The ones who should be the most tired, the hardest running, are the forwards, and especially the wingers in a dump and chase strategy. But when you turn it over in our zone you waste all their energy and efforts because the other team doesn't have to run to keep the ball in zone, and this just kills our forwards energy and they wont be able to help you do anything deep in your own zone. So use them wisely, and it will be easier to put the pressure on the other team, instead of handing them goals on a silver platter because you were afraid to "ice" the puck.
Hey Anonymous don't change names?
There is really only one person who likes using icing as a main strategy. Icing is fine when you don't have any other option, but if you have deep in your zone with out a defender with in 10 or 15 feet icing it is stupid.
Are outlet passes picked off once in a while yes, but do you also see wingers just standing there and not getting themselves into a passing lane -YES all the time!!!
Last week Nick passed it up the boards to Brendon who was sitting on the floor, was that Nicks fault?
If the winger is yelling for his team to ice it when it doesn't have to be that is just plain stupid
what team had a dump and run strategy?
Ron did your team have a dump & run strategy?
John did your team have a dump & run strategy?
im just gonna act like i was there this week. And im gonna try to step on as many toes as possible.
Thanks for having me #5 i expected to be #1 on the Do Not Listen list.
Johnny does dave just get tired all of a sudden? or was he tired even 10 minutes before that?
It sounds like he was doing fine all the way up until 2-2 and then he got tired. Being tired is never an excuse. it's just a weekness of dave you have to deal. like brad not having a shot, or Mike D not being able to puck-handle to good.
Anybody else have a ridiculous time trying to read that other post?
We did not have a dump it in strategy. In fact, transition-wise we did a decent job with the D finding the forwards. We had several times where our D needlessly turned the ball over while down low, but implementing a dump and chase strategy would not have helped us on Saturday.
To take it one-step further: in Saugus, you almost always should be able to find a forward to pass to in order to lead it out of the zone. There are occasions when the forwards are stationary and icing it is best, but usually you can put the puck in a place for a forward to gain possesion. There have been very few times that I thought to myself that the only option is to ice the puck while I had the puck deep in my defensive zone.
and Frank* is obviously JR. i dont know the others
I think / thought Frank was Mike D
Dave later said that he pretty much was tired before the third game even began, but by the point it was 2-2 there he had nothing left - at which point 3 quick goals were scored.
If you were there Brett, you would have seen the goals and where they were scored from - normally Dave makes those saves (and he had been before that point). It's also ridiculous to say that when a goalie can't make saves to simply overcome it. Goaltending is the most important position on the floor.
I love all the anonymous controversy!!!
I noticed that although Frank's name had been changed, "Edwardo" had not...hmmmmmmmmm.
"There is really only one person who likes using icing as a main strategy. Icing is fine when you don't have any other option, but if you have deep in your zone with out a defender with in 10 or 15 feet icing it is stupid."
I'm going to do like nick and use the quotes.
Mike, many people use icing as a "strategy", whether or not they say it. We don't gameplan around it, but it is an effective way to move the puck.
Now, you said that "if you have deep in your zone with out a defender with in 10 or 15 feet icing it is stupid."
Well, that depends. If no one is within 15 feet and you make a 14 foot pass that gets picked off, guess what? They're going uncontested to the net! And if you stickhandle up to the line and get broken up, same thing! The obvious solution is don't get picked off and dont get broken up. But we have skill guys who take advantage of less skilled defenders. So the best solution (when in doubt) is to ice it so that they can't keep all their men in the zone. Now if they get the puck they all have to run back. I think you're missing the point.
but his lack of endurance is a weekness. Thans why its an attribute when creating a player on a game.
Steve didn't get too tired to make a save in game 3.
I'm just saying it's a weekness. one that can be overcome easily just by playing more.
icing is never a bad option cause there's no penalty for icing it except for jared belittling you
Thanks anonymous for ranking me #2 on the dont take advise list. and calling me the worst player. That helps the little confidence i have in my hockey skills. Thanks
Brad you actually had confidence in them? Just kidding
Anonymous is the new meanest poster on this blog.
i have to win my title back somehow. but with out Brendon posting i have no hope.
Thanks Brett I think
Jared look I am posting
i'm proud of you brad keep it up! And your best bet is to counter anonymously with really mean spirited material.
That wicked long post most likely posted by brendon was actually scaring me. Those were the thoughts of an insane person. To quote billy madison, that post was "one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard."
And on the icing note, it is a pet peeve of mine. and the fact that brendon wants his team to do it so much drives me more crazy. How is that a fun way to play hockey? ice it no matter what! then have petzold go get it and be rewarded for playing like morons.
you pick petzold for that reason and you know it.
and icing is a part of hockey. like brett said. and we know you hate it.
teams generally only ice it when they HAVE to not cause they WANT to
Also how are people supposed to get used to making a good outlet pass if all they do is ice it as soon as they touch it?
brett stop posting anonymously and agreeing with yourself
i always break up my posts with spaces. i never post 1 long paragraph like that.
It's brendon alright. he's the only one who writes novels on this site. He's just finally realized the advantage of posting anonymously. If only he wasn't the only one with such a skewed view of fundamental hockey. Then we wouldn't be able to tell that these off the wall posts were his.
stats are up guys...it seems as though Johnny forgot to send half of the boxscore but its no bigie.
enjoy?
"and this just kills our forwards energy and they wont be able to help you do anything"
Brendon is that why you were seen sitting during a game TWICE this week?
"i agree nick, that middle game was crap, they got so lucky with a shutout. Outplayed all three games!"
so you had to be on my team then...hmm
Nick-wasnt me. picture this we were both...(shaggy...anyone else start singing...no?)
Ron-Ron wouldnt agree with me...lol.
Ronnie-needs parental consent to be online
Mike D- "i always put my name"
Joe- I dont see it...
Lee- Doubt it
and that leaves us with....drum roll please...
deap throat, I mean Brendon. The only other player on my team. The next night we get a novel of a post that was hard to read..hmm. Brendon is back baby!
Nick, perhaps you should just assume that its brendon anytime someone posts anonymously. I mean, no one has ever impersonated anyone else on this site before, right?
And you really believe that Mike D always leaves his name? I can think of at least one time where he admitted to writing something anonymously and then said it was a mistake and he meant to leave his name.
You will also recall that Joe just admitted to everyone that he was the real deal last year. So he obviously does post anonymously too.
And where has Griff been? How many times to do you see a post with his name on it? But you know he's on this site too.
And brett likes to argue with himself anonymously. So it would seem that there are a few other options out there, or you could just be yourself and refuse to be wrong. But you are. Because I know who posted it. Guess who I am? And no, I'm not borges!
welcome back brendon!
Is that your guess Nick?
what point are you trying to prove
"And you really believe that Mike D always leaves his name? I can think of at least one time where he admitted to writing something anonymously and then said it was a mistake and he meant to leave his name." he posted and said it was him, not like he left it as anonymous.Joe was not the real deal, I know that for a fact. It's the totally stupid logic in the post that are a dead give away as to who it is. It's the same stupid logic that we hear being yelled out while playing.
nice try Brendon
Brett you said:
If only he wasn't the only one with such a skewed view of fundamental hockey.
But you agreed with the post about icing when you said:
icing is never a bad option cause there's no penalty for icing it except for jared belittling you
So, you agree, yet the view is skewed? How is that? seems like you only disagreed and called it skewed when you thought it was brendon posting it. However before that, you did agree with it.
"It's the totally stupid logic in the post"
What's stupid about the logic? Brett already agreed with it. Explain yourself. Nick.
How is icing as a game plan stupid?
The fact that you keep asking is pathetic and only further proves my point. If Brett agrees with you (big if) that doesn't make it any less stupid.
how many of these thing seem like good way to play hockey?
1) when you're tired just sit at what ever spot you are on the ice (even though there are subs on the bench)
2) Hustling down to get a puck that was iced
3)Screaming ice it as soon as your defensemen touch the puck even though there is no one near him
4)sitting on the ice when your defensemen passes it to you and looking at the defensemen like he did something wrong
5)a defensemen that makes an outlet pass
who would have thought that all it would take to get Brendon to start posting agian was to have Mike D spend most of the night yelling at him.
Thanks Mike
i guess you missed the point anonymous.
icing isn't penalized in saugus. therefore can't really be called icing. It's the dumbest way to play defense in saugus but so many people have just resorted to icing cause they can, with no ill effects. They can get away with it.
It's like Joe's knee slide. he would trip people and ruin a scoring chance while sliding into them and maybe hitting the ball. stupid stupid stupid way of playing defense but he was never penalized for it. So it was a good play in that sence.
but i would never gameplan around either of those methods of defense.
And i've never argued with myself. I've always been accused of it. never convicted. But always thought it was funny that people think i did.
someone completely missing the point, IS THERE A BIGGER SIGN THAT IT'S BRENDON!!!
Ok, I guess you're all right then. Don't ever ice the puck. Instead use your incredible skills to pass it up the middle or sides and cause a turnover. And get scored on.
Because we all know how good you guys are at stickhandling. And you never get broken up. Don't listen to me. I'm not making any plays out there. I have no idea how to get the puck in the net.
We should all listen to nick and mike d. Dont ice it ever. Just make great passes everyone, ok? Ok.
No, Brett: it is you who are missing the point. Icing for the sake of icing IS stupid. Icing the puck with a view to letting your forwards run and chase it is good when they CAN do that. Isn't that why you would pick Mike P on your team? Or does he just have amazing stickhandling skills? Yep. That's what I thought.
No one said don't ever ice it. Who ever you are you are thick in the head. All that was stated was that whipping it down to the other end isn't & shouldn't be the primary game plan.
well if you can't make plays now then learn how to make them.
nick
Joe
Lee
Chris
all these defensemen can make a pass out of the zone. they have made costly mistakes before. But you can't be afraid to make a play or else you'll panic with the ball.
Ok, so outside of Mike P who else can consistantly do that? If you list yourself (Brendon) I'll puke because you apparently sat on the ice when you were tired. Not once, but TWICE!! one time being as winger when a good outlet pass was sent your way.
Also if the rest of team doesn't want to game plan that way, what does that tell you?
Mike P isn't on the ice all game. therefore you can't use dump and chase all game.(i think we haad this conversation about mike W before) We never have used it as a gameplan before. it's been done before, just never gameplanned before
mike d, stop posting anonymously. w all know its you.
maybe if you had lee and jimmy as a D pair you could use dump and chase cause they aren't the quickest. But no one is going to chase after a ball at full speed
(except mike P) when they have a slim chance of even getting it.
Guess again Bredon
what if jimmy c was on the other side as defense? then you could chase and force a turnover in their zone. Its called forechecking. Something you don't do much.
Guess again Mike D
Ok what if you ice it, scramble to get, Jimmy does the same thing as soon as he gets it, your stuck in no mans land & then get a great rush.
What if, what if, what if, that game plan doesn't work
You can say I'm Mike D all you want. It's not going to make me Mike D, but there is no escaping it's you Brendon
Look, this is all ridiculous. Instead of trying to guess who's who, I say who cares?
The debate is: To ice or not to ice.
Obviously, icing isn't a part of the main strategy. But when you have wingers that are willing to chase the puck and forecheck to get the ball back, why would you opt to try to pass it out to someone who doesnt stickhandle well?
Do you think that they are always going to be open and not covered?
Icing doesnt mean to send it the length of the ice. It means just to make sure that you GET IT OVER THE LINE. Something that defense doesn't do very well. They try to make pinpoint passes that are either broken up or intercepted.
Icing it just means to keep them honest. And yes, I know that icing means something else in ice hockey, but not with us.
Why do you keep saying Ice, is it actually ice in Street Hockey. That is the real question.
why is everyone being "Anonymous??
and apparently anonymous you don't know how late in the draft Mike P is picked. Ok so he gets to the ball first. Now what? He's all by himself and, as you implied, can't puck handle. So what good does that do? He's just pointlessly wasting energy more than Mike W did in Florida.
my first day home alone with the baby and there's so much going on on this site. Thanks anonymous. you give me something to do while the baby is sleeping.
not anymore
Icing doesnt mean to send it the length of the ice. It means just to make sure that you GET IT OVER THE LINE - is called a pass to open space, and yes icing means the same regardless if its dek or ice hockey
that was my point. and if Brendon is posting on this site, it seems as though there are at least two other people who agreed with him or who posted something else similar. theres at least one other person talking and i think you confused me for him earlier
why do people post anonymously? i mean i get the obvious reason, so that no one really knows who it is. But are they that afraid of their own beliefs so as to not attach their name to it? Are they really afraid of what someone might say in response?
I use to do it all the time but it got old after a while.
Are you all riled up about it? Then I guess it worked.
Remember this is just a blog site ...
riled up? no i wouldnt say riled up. just puzzled as to how your mind functions the way it does
puzzled, riled up, just adding to the fun of your day! That is while the baby is sleeping
IMO, icing the puck should only be done in three situations:
1. One or more forwards are caught deep in the zone, the puck carrier is getting heavy pressure, and the puck carrier does not possess the ability to hang onto the puck long enough for his forwards to clear the zone.
2. The forwards are being flat-out lazy and the D can't find anyone trying to get open for a pass.
3. The defensive team is under a heavy attack and simply needs to relieve the pressure.
no just puzzled, but thank you for an entertaining afternoon. come up with another completely wrong idea about how to play hockey tomorrow and we can do this all over again. But not until i vaccuum and fold the laundry.
john that first one is called touch up off-sides.
#2 then take a shot on net. never a bad play.
#3 that is the only time icing should happen.
#2 how can the defense take a shot on net deep in their own zone?
it seemed like johnny was refering to when they are taking it out if the zone and everyone is just standing at half court. leaving the defensemen to just ice it cause if he tries to rush it up it's too risky. But if he shoots it before he's pressured too much then that's a good play. Ron and Jared do it all the time
I agree but I thought it was referring to deep in your own zone. That's usually the spot where icing occurs. If your in your opponents zone, then its not icing is it?
i think Brendon should keep facing JR. brendon has 5 more wins over Johnny in their rivalry stats. he is only 1 of 3 players with a winning record verse johnny. The other 2 are dale and brett.
on a side note borges didn't have a winning record verse anyone.
And also Billy D is the only player with a losing record verse Brad. So now who's the better Driscoll
I think if I try to keep up with all the goings on in this blog my hockey game would never get better. It is very entertaining though.
What is the deal with posting anonymously? Put your name out there, unless you have been named one of the people not to take advice from.
Brett sounds like you are completely domesticated, very nice!!!
i'm talking like after an offsides is called. the team gets to try and take it out. But i dont know what johnny was refering to.
I'm done arguing about icing. It's like when Butch stearns did a whole show on if it should be RBI or RBIs. there's just not much more to talk about
thanks chris. my mom trained me well
she must be proud, except for the hand thing!
what is your ETA for Hockey?
Ok, here's another topic: Who is the worst player this year so far, with regard to expectations? Let's leave Brad out of this one (see, Brad, I layed off on you this time)
Brett has no problem naming names, so let him go first. Aside from rookies and kids, which of the SNH regulars has been the least effective this year?
you're right. i have no problem naming names. and i will as soon as you start naming your post with your real name.
nick. ok, go.
i'll wait for nick to confirm that. nick call me at 781 710 8266 to let me know it was you.
chris i hope to be back in 5 weeks. pins come out in 2 weeks and then alot of rehab. i dont know how effective i'll be for a while. i might have to ice it alot when i first get back
i don't have time to call you. I always leave me name like mike d, so you know it must be me, right?
you've had time to post all day. I think you have time to make a quick call.
Brett, Icing for you is good, you still have the speed, I am sure we will all be happy you are playing. Except for , you know ...anonymous!
Forget him. How bout you help critique my game, the offense, next time you show up? I am always looking to get better.
Borges did you get fired or something? or did your girlfriend dump you? Atleast i have a decent excuse for being home all day
I think brett is avoiding the issue. Perhaps hes not as brave as we thought he was. I knew he wouldnt answer it thats why I put it up there. I identified myself and he still wont do it. Hes afraid. afraid to name names.
This is really the first time all day that I've been at a computer so those posts were not me
Why would I post anonymously anyway, as was seen the other night I had no problem yelling at Brendon for sitting down.
If your saying I post anonymously, but say I don't, then you're calling me a liar. I have no need to hide my comment behind an anonymous post.
Before you go saying it was me all day, I've been at the hospital all day since this morning due to a family emergency so if you're going to call me a liar on that do it with your name.
I can't beleive that there was so much stuff going back and forth about icing/whipping down the ice/ blah blah blah.
Based on how much I was yelling at Brendon when he kept suggesting it I don't see the need to post my opinion on it since I made it very clear the other night.
When I have an opinion I'll post it
and your back to posting anonymous.
I have no problem naming names. You seem to have trouble naming yourself.
Ok the worst player to ever play in Saugus was Borges. he was fat and lazy and barely ever had a winning week. i'm glad he doesn't play hockey anymore. Even in the league he plays in with derek D he's been moved to D cause he can't play offense anymore. pretty pathetic for a 28 year old.
But if anonymous isn't borges then just fill in your real name where Borges' was. I'm sure it applies to you. well the fat and lazy part anyway.
or maybe it is Nick.
Was that last line a reference to his favorite show? Seignfeld.
When elain names names when she's dating the communist.
oh and i forgot to mention how Borges never scored in a tournament until last year in florida. he got 1 goal.
For the record, I post as Anonymous all the time. I don’t think too much of it.
The only post people got offended at was when I said Mike D’s head was bigger, from taking roids. It was joke, ofcourse. Remember Mike signed up that abuse with that 200th post.
Anyway… Icing the puck in Saugus is an absolutely foolish thing to do, IMO.
Pull it deeper into your own zone until your forwards get back on side. The better D should back up 10 steps or so, and then call for the pass.
All this crap of the D not being able to handle the puck, the forwards caught deep in the offensive zone is NO EXCUSE in my book. Learn from your mistakes. Eventually you’ll improve.
That being said… there is 1 time when I would approve of icing the puck
Icing the puck is ok ONLY WHEN there has been sustained, relentless pressure by the opposing team AND the goalie is getting peppered with shots.
If you get a puck, ice it and then regroup. Oh and make sure you apologize to your goalie for all the needless running around that caused that whole mess in the first place.
Ron, I didn't get offended at that
I wanna say you said I was sick and twisted. Or something was wrong with that guy (me).
Hey no worries, I wasn't offended either.
I love you man, big head and all :)
haha no I said that about who ever said "my grapes were shrinking" or something along those lines.. LOL
please lets not get into that again.
Regarding my comments on icing earlier I guess when it came to #s 1 & 2 I was referring to simply shooting it in the zone (preferably on net as Brett pointed out). I said "icing", but they aren't obviously the same thing.
Thus, the only time to ice it is under sustained pressure and you're in danger of the other team scoring.
first post of the day, btw.
this is hilarious...its onlt tuesday, and we now have 120 comments...I want to break the 250 mark!
Let's do this.
Actually, I believe Borges is only 27, further enhancing Brett's point.
If that is him posting anonymously, and there's obviously no way to tell for sure, but maybe try to get your life straightened out and then come back and play hockey with us and post on the site. We'd love to have you back with us once that happens, but until then we don't really care about what you have to say.
Hopefully Mike D gets the 200 post mark again so we can make fun of him!
HAHA with brendon not visiting the site anymore. I think we should all list our favorite "brendon" moment and have a poll.
mine is and always will be: right before 2nd round of the playoffs he says
"as long as we dont get hurt, thats all i care about"
as Nick plays hard against the boards against an opponent, Brendon yells from the sidelines:
"Nick! Take him out!"
GAME WINNER!!!!!! will always be a favorite too
Brendon with the ball!! Streaking down the left wing!! Get's by Jared!! One Girl to beat!!! OH and Ariel hip checks him sending him head over heels and ends that scoring chance!!!!!!!
nick, your such a gangster wanabe, lol
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