Got yeah! Never will happen. But Im giving you an update on a Sunday. I deserve a medal. Or a plaque (is that how you spell the stuff on your teeth? Or the award? Im not sure either). Most of you thought I'd be crying in the corner of my bedroom. Well, Im over it. Reggie got by me 4 times. I tripped on my own stick. I lost twice. Played in two 4-4 games and wasn't on the ice at all when the game was tied. Thanks Matt...anyways it was rough night.
I put a new poll up. Certainly an interesting topic. I feel as though I never play as well. Perhaps, its because nothing happens the way you would expect. (Shane scoring on his own goal comes to mind). Maybe because there are so many new people they dont know your style of play. ( I saw several times where a pass up the boards by defenseman was botched.) Or Im awful. Take your pick I guess.
Topic of the week? Please dont make it sliding. I beg of you. I'd rather talk about Dale's grey shirt.
After a week with this many people, who thinks we will have 4 on 4 next week? I do. Pats have a Sunday night game against the colts also, right? Im almost certain.
The test of a true hockey town player.
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who is funnier bb or nick? I cant decide who is more entertaining.
I'm gonna lead off with a complaint about Lee.
Who wants a player who gives up on his team every week? A player who blames everyone for the problem that he's part of? Granted when he stopped playing, the White team ended up playing better. But it wasn't because he was bad. It was because we had less subs. Less subs = less confusion.
Bottom line is that he quit on his team cause they weren't making good line changes. Give it a rest Lee.
i know. This coming from a kid who, didn't stop playing, but pretty much stopped trying one night last year. But it gets pretty pathetic when it happens every year. I think he fails to realize that we have newcomers every week and handicapped players.
"But it gets pretty pathetic when it happens every year"
i meant every week
I try not to beat up on people, but this is one that I can’t let go by without putting in my 2 cents.
I have to agree with Brett completely. Lee is a good guy, but has terrible self control when playing hockey.
I’ve never understood his tantrums and the subsequent bail out on his team.
Lee, I know you’ll blame everything on yourself to justify your actions, but it sends a bad message to everyone, especially the young ones. There could be much more said about this… but this is not the forum to do it.
Lee has been prone to this in the past, but it would be only once in a while. This year it seems to happen very frequently. However, he also has had a LOT to deal with (with the recent passing of his mom).
I don't play ice hockey with him, so I don't know if it's the same there. However, based on most ice hockey games I've played in, we play far more competitively here. That might contribute to it to.
One point I'd make about that though: as hard as we all play, and as much as we'd like to win, everyone should still be having fun. Especially with a night like last night. Guys played extremely hard, and that led to some great games last night. Even though we lost the last two, it was still a blast.
Look, I obviously have a reputation (admittedly well-deserved) of yelling a lot while we play. At the same time though, I'm still having fun - I'll compliment opposing players on a nice play, joke around with them during stoppages or even sometimes during play, etc. Ultimately that should be everyone's mindset: play hard, try to win, but overall simply have fun.
Again, I think we should cut Lee some slack right now since, but I do think it might help if he had a bit more of that mindset: just come to have some fun.
One further point though with what Ron said: it's one thing to critique a person's play, but this is not the place to criticize a person personally (we've been through this a couple of weeks ago). As such let's leave the comments at that.
And one last thing: my apologies to everyone for showing up so late last night. I got stuck somewhere way later than I was planning on.
I'll be on time this coming week!
I am sure Lee quit for a few reasons, some of them you may have noted , other reasons you may not be aware of.
Dont waste anyones time calling them out like that, It doesn't promote anything christian.
It might be different if we were getting paid to play , We are not. But obviously he felt that he shouldn't be out there.
please dont make Judgement calls on other players, you have no Idea what they may have been through that day.
Something like this might be better in a private conversation with the guy.
Well said John!
Nice points John, Good reminders for all of us...
Let's have some recaps from the masters of Rhyme Time!
Sniff, sniff...Lee quit on his team...sniff, sniff...Everyone should play like me!...sniff, sniff...I have the right to criticize everyone I don't like...sniff, sniff...
You call and I come it’s as easy as that
Yah this is hockey but I’m ready at bat
Another weeks gone by with John & Jared asking why
There left scratching their heads as they lay in their beds
It’s been three weeks in a row
And what do they have to show?
Each week with only one win!
What excuse will they try to spin?
Last night they pulled out all the stops
Jared showed up and brought his pops
The elder Meadows turned out to be great
He razzled & dazzled but suffered the same fate
Earlier in the week they said let’s split up the D
That didn’t work as you can plainly see
Joe stepped up and showed he’s got game
Nick tried his best but couldn’t reach the acclaim
Reggie showed up to prove he had more
Had some cools moves that led to a score
Reggie's got talent and can play another sport
Just give him the ball & he’ll shine on any court
Brendon and Mike, now there’s a quite a pair
They finished game 3 with power and flair
Who would of thought these two would click
Some miscues they had but found a way to tick
Even with one hand Brett rocks the house
His passes and moves are as quick as a mouse
Brett’s quick feet and control are a rare combo indeed
His night was cut short when his hand had to bleed
Can’t forget Ron whose shot missed quite a bit
But he showed faith in his team to deliver the hit
Little Ronnie tried hard but couldn't hit the net
If he keeps on playing he may soon be a threat
What will happen next week, that’s tough to say,
But if history repeats, it will be fun either way
Ok Time to Rhyme step up to the plate
I’ve set the hook now you take the bait
No. Lee pretty much said he was sick of no one knowing where they were suppose to be. I'm pretty sure there was no double meaning and i think everyone is making this out to be more than just that.
He did say that we started playing better when he stopped and i told him that it wasn't him, but just less subs made it less confusing. He stayed the rest of the night so i don't think it was anything deeper than just him being frustrated with his teamates.
well then you must be right!
Sniff, sniff...why doesn't anyone agree with me...sniff, sniff...Everyone should agree with me!, I'm Brett!!...sniff, sniff...I am always right & people like me...sniff, sniff...
methinks Borges is back.
its not borges. its griff
whoever it is Knock it off. People are entitled to there own opinions. Sometimes though, that opinion should be kept to themselves.
its people like crybaby brett that make this blog not much fun to read. one little dig is fine but over and over again sucks.Just like you do.
Ok so what about Hockey Night in Saugus, lets talk about that
I think Johnny should cap the amount to 20 players MAX.
We had 21 players. That's too many.
Brief analysis on the games last night...
1. Props to Mike D and Brendon. They provided the offense with Ron not scoring as much.
2. Very good play by my father in net last night. He tired out towards the end, but there was no sign of rust after the long layoff.
3. Up until he tired out through the end of Game 2, Griff was excellent at center: covered defensively, and made plays happen in the offensive zone.
4. I thought the line of me, Jared, and Mike was strong all night.
5. Solid defense by the White team, but we've got to do a better job getting the shot through from the point. Plus, Nick can't try to do so much next time.
6. Obviously he was not his usual self, but for playing one-handed Brett did very well - we had to keep track of him while he was out there.
7. Having trouble deciding which play was worse: Shane shooting it into our net, or Nick tripping himself.
Griff continues to show all that he has options.
Options for a 2nd career as a lumber jack.
That guy is brutal to watch, never mind playing against.
The last dig was not by me. I am flattered by the copycat, however.
"one little dig is fine but over and over again sucks.Just like you do."
That was really uncalled for. Instead, those digs really 'stink', right Brett?
How would you cap the amount to 20 send people home? That may be a tough chore to keep the # of people down. But I have to agree we did get a bit confused with the lines.
No you don't send people home. That wouldn't be to good. You should know in advance who is coming and then tell the final guy or two, sorry we have 20. Say something like let me know sooner next week and you'll be able to play.
Look, we've had more than 20 people in the past. We've had 26 or 27 at the most one time in years past. It's not unmanagable. Line changes are a part of hockey. And playing with different guys each wee is a part of pickup street hockey. That's what this is isn't it? Not some exclusive club?
Besides, those extra people bring in extra $$$ so when we have an inexplicably bad showing one week, John can dip into the pot and cover it for one week or two. And if we have money left over at the end of the year, then the regulars get to play for free for a game or something like that.
The way I see it, you just need to be able to manage those extra guys better. Especially the rookies. We have no coaches per se, so our "player-coaches" are we have. Guys like John and Ron (and maybe Jared) need to take ownership of their team, and act like the captain, whether or not we officially have captains - it doesn't matter.
If they can coach up their lines and make adjustments by giving out directions as needed to certain players, everything will be fine, so long as those players listen to them. So what happened this week? I just think that all the guys we had was a surprise and no one was really expecting it. If we have another huge showing in the future weeks, I would expect each team captain to take responsibility and coach up each line or player as they see fit. Make sense?
yeah, I agree with that. We should never ask people NOT to come. That's really a terrible idea.
There are some weeks that we are going to have more players than others. Several of the guys that came this past week have come in years past, and usually end up playing a couple of times a year. It would be great if they could play more, but usually they are not able to.
If we consistently had more than 20 guys each week then we'd figure something out, but I'd almost guarantee we will not have as many this coming week.
"I'll be on time this coming week!"
LIE!
im glad most of you guys are humble when you say you "stink" no matter what...good for you!
i'd rather stay home then play with 27 players.
any chance we play on Saturday instead of Sunday because Nick made a good point. With the Pats game being on there will most likely be a poor showing.
for what it's worth I think a lot of guys have a lot of "stuff" going on outside out Saugus hockey. Wether it's being unemployed, family situations, health issues, or a world of other stuff. This is supposed to fun. This might sounds stupid, but if someone has never really posted (example - Lee) why not assume he'd rather not be torn apart on the blog or even if they have (example - Brendon), but they clearly took it personal, why not just not critique them. Once you write it and post it, it's done. You can't take it back and have no idea if that person is just sitting there reading it over and over again. Nothing on this is supposed to be personal, but sadly there are times it clearly is and don't go saying "well if they don't hear it they'll never get better" because there are probably a good portion of guys that really don't care.
stop making things more complicated.
So if Griff slashes someone we should just accept it cause who knows what is going on in his personal life.
I made a pure hockey statement, and unless Lee is asking us too excuse him cause he has alot going on, then you guys are spreading things that might not even be true and that's way more damaging than what i said.
well said brett. Nice shut down.
Saturady will not work because of a bethal speaker at the salem hall ( which is a good percentage of our players)
There is speculation, however, of moving the time up on Sunday though...just heresay.
also recap and stats delayed until tuesday night....both my fault. A rough week indeed.
Well, despite the time off, the new season started off with a great game. Both and Bobby and Jonathan were great in net and both Brian and Scott continued the scoring streaks that they finished last season with. Red team Coach Brett seemed overwhelmed and provided very little help, almost giving the advantage to the Not-Red team. The game was fun, and everybody enjoyed themselves, setting a great tone for the season ahead.
BOURNE POWER RANKINGS
1. Billy - Taking very little time away from hockey during the off-season paid off as Billy made an immediate impact on the game, not only scoring goals, but setting up teammates with great assists.
2. Scott - How is this possible?! Amazingly, Scott's hot streak has carried over as he not only scored a goal but assisted as well, proving that while this may be a fluke, it's a long fluke.
3. Brian - Brian just keeps getting better as the games go by, becoming a major offensive presence right from the start, notching the first goal of the Red team's season.
4. John - Expect him to rise in the ranks! Obviously, John will pick it up this season and be rivaled only by Billy, but it was the Red team's night.
5. Dan - Dan played great defense and will probably deserve a mention in the top 5 every game he plays in. With a great skill set, watch for Dan to be less conservative at the line and to score a lot more.
Sniff, sniff...Why don't more people agree with me...sniff, sniff...People can't have thier own thoughts!...sniff, sniff...I'm never wrong, I'm always right, I'm Brett...sniff, sniff...
bum
this is a terrible thread. dont we have something better to talk about?
Nick if we move the time up on sunday, what time do you think it will end up being?
lets talk about me wiping out ron jr. completely uncalled for.
Ron, sorry i trashed your son!
He's pretty tough though. Developing skills fast as young ones do!
How is that to talk about?
the pats game doesnt start untill 830ish, if we just actually start at 6 then some people might miss the first few mins of the game. we only usually play for 2 hours right?
Matt D
also to whoever said that you cant delete your commments you actually can after you post them. im guessing most of the people are kidding or just ragging on people in this forum, if people are taking the comments seriously thats rediculous. i agree with brett
yeah but johnny is always 30-40 min late, so add that time, and we dont get started until 7:00. ends around 9. leave around 9:15-9:30. Home by 10-10:30. Miss 2 hrs of the game. Lets be realistic!
you can only delete your own comments if you are logged in. Not if you post anonymously. Only Nick/John/Ron or an administrator can remove those comments.
A side-note: Matt D, you may not think that people should take comments too seriously, but yet you really haven't been the brunt of any jokes yet, have you?
What if you were ragged on week after week and it was relentless? Would it still not bother you? It's easy to say no, but what if they hit a nerve? I think perhaps you might be bothered.
And no, I'm not suggesting that we all do that to you just to see how it would feel, that would be cruel. But think about it.
ok, but i have been the butt end of many jokes and jabs at my playing ability. and actually the center peice of "crybaby brett". And i don't take it seriously. ever. This site is for fun no matter what is posted. Get thicker skin if comments on a blog hurt your feelings. Sounds like crybaby should have anonymous replace me for his comments.
if you take your skills at street hockey so seriously that you actually feel hurt when someone one critisizes you about how terrible you really are, then you need to stop playing and find something that's actually worth caring about. We are all terrible. As was proved when we play in tournaments. Even the top scorers in Saugus were terrible in Florida.
It's fun to debate, and if you can't debate without becoming emotionaly attached then don't post, don't read, don't play hockey.
Hey Johnny, you were terrible in Florida.
and Brendon please stop posting anonymous.
A few different comments:
1. I am thinking of making the game at 5:00 this week so that everyone can have plenty of time to see the Pats game. Does that work for everyone? Brendon, you have an excuse to come to our meeting since we are having a Bethel speaker.
2. Brett, wrong about Florida. The first year I didn't score but had 4 or 5 assists and played very well defensively. Second year was there anyone who played better? We can continue to debate this but I might become very emotional :)
3. For the most part, the site is used to rag on people, and the majority of people have no problem dishing it out or receiving it. However, I agree with the earlier point that Matt made: if a person is not involved in posting on the site, don't take any shots at that person. Even if we don't think that they read it, other people do.
4. To expand on that further, not everyone knows each other as well as some people might. As such, just think a little bit before posting. For example, Brett: if you told me to "grow thicker skin" then I really don't care...I'll just continue to debate with you either on the site or email. That's because I know you pretty well. However, to someone like Matt, that statement on the website might come across as a challenge...obviously something we wouldn't want to do to a fellow brother. I have no idea how Matt interpreted that, but he doesn't know you as well and a person's tone can't be heard over the internet. That's just an example, put in general everyone should follow those guidelines.
We can always go back to just a boring old stat site, but it's fun to read what people have to say and debate with them over the week. Let's just keep it fun for everyone.
John you were terrible. and stats don't count down in Florida only wins do. You never won a face off, you couldn't keep up with their speedy guys. I had a few assists and i was on D. so that's not saying much.
Don't you remember the MVP voting we had? Ariel finished with more points than you :)
John trust me you were bad year 1.
Year 2, well you didn't have much competition for someone to be better than you.
I was completely ineffective. Jared was still the top scorer. Mike W....did he even go. Borges just kept sliding everywhere. Dave was out of shape. Griff and Bob forgot there was no checking, slashing, holding, hooking or shooting the ball at the ref allowed. Tony never played out before. And Billy killed himself.
So yes you were in the top 2 for year 2. But that's not saying much
well getting bowled over by Chris is one way to learn to keep your head up..
As for everything else on this thread, if someone is really taking something that was said personal then they need to speak up and once they speak up it's on who ever was posting about them to stop.
Also it's not how something is meant, it's how it is taken.
enough on that. Last week we had some good games. I think (could be wrong) last two games were both 5 - 4.
If we move it to 5, I'd be able to go, BUT we'd have to start on time. If we started any later than 5:30 I won't be able to go.
MIke did I run you over? Sorry, I was out of control. Youknow how us big guys get, once we start we cannot stop!
Seriously. I thought they were good games.
I didnt score though, man I need a slap shot!!!!!!
I think its funny that Brett keeps mistaking my comments for Brendon. Do I really sound that much like him? I might have to change that.
Chris it was incredible because I bounced off you like a super ball and I don't even think you realized.. I was laughing
Um, okay. Won the faceoff that went straight back to Ron to tie the championship game...pretty sure that was not the only one. Game 3 I was completely spent, so I'll agree with you for that game. Outside of that I played fine. Not great, sure. I would have liked to score some goals. But I did not play "terrible" either. Ask Dave or Bobby what they thought.
Tell you what though...we can go back and watch the film together, and point out the good and the bad. If what you're saying is true then I have no problem admitting it.
Dave is your brother and was the only person besides you who voted for you in the MVP voting.
What's great about this arguement is that i know i played bad so it's not an issue of who was better it's just whether you were bad or not. I can't lose
Does it really matter?
Wasn't it like 2 years ago?
Based on John's post you guys made it to the championship game, right?
Yes we did, with a 0-4 record in the qualifying rounds. pretty good huh? We were almost the cinderella story.
Ron would have been our top player if he hadn't gotten hurt. Dave was left out to dry by his defense.
I still remember that first game where Dave pulled himself. We ran around like ostriches with their heads cut off.
what's the best that you've ever done in a tourney wins-losses wise?
Montreal. finished the qualifying round 3-0 then got knocked out in the 2nd round by the team that won it all. So our final record was 4-1. But everytime we won we couldn't believe that we had just won cause we were beating teams that were better than us. Much better.
True, but Dave wouldn't just say something that he doesn't believe - just like I would not.
I've said it before anyway - our problem in Florida is the fact that the teams we play all have a system, a coach, and practice a bunch. It takes extraordinary individual plays and good defensive effort (not to mention goaltending) in order to have a chance to beat teams like that.
That's what made Montreal so much fun - it was less about coaching and more about how well you played.
Of course, the best part of Montreal? The Comeback.
How di you guys do in tewksbury?
stats are up
we blew out the teams for the first 10 weeks but then they started playing rough cause they couldn't keep up with us and things got out of hand so we lost interest.
The one good thing that came out of tueksbury was that Jared admitted that the team needed me. I'll never forget you said that Jared
10 - 8 - 09
10 Reginald - Made nick look silly. I mean real silly. He just needs to show up every week so that he can get in a groove. Hopefully a scoring groove.
9 Steve - Played a better game than Jack but only when he had too. Jack was solid all night, but Steve made the save of the night when Matt S passed it right up the middle to John and Steve showed why he deserves this spot.
8 Mike M - I don’t know if he’ll show again but we hope he does. His natural chemistry with his kin was plain to see through out the night.
7 Mike D (+3)* - Still had problems covering on D, but REALLY came through on offense. Something we’ve been waiting for all season.
6 Ryan (+1) - Somehow he moved up even after he missed that open net. His defense must have made up for it. And he may have even put on his old personality. Especially while covering Ron.
5 Joe (+1) - He may have taken a little off his shot to get it on net but it was much appreciated. He had a decent supporting cast while Lee was still playing, and he played the wing for a bit.
4 Brendon (E) - His puck handling is almost non-existent. Yet he can finish, and this week he finished off the dark team with ANOTHER game winner. For the future, stop worrying about someone elses assignment. Stick to your own.
3 John (-2) - Did he score any goals? I know he did, but I don’t even remember that many. His goals seemed to be the ones that shouldn’t have gone in. They still count but they aren’t the kind a team could build off.
2 Ron (E) - He’s one of those guys who you want to play harder for. And he has triumphed over Jared and Johnny and all the other pieces they’ve tried to add to try to have a winning week.
1 Jared (+2) - HE PLAYED A LITTLE DEFENSE!! So that added to his usual play automatically moves him up a spot. He really clicked with his dad, which he can only hope to be as good as one day.
Off the Radar:
Nick
Dale
Chris
Lee
wow 10 and 0...you and Dave must have been in your primes.
Hey WPR did you forget that I play at all. I didn't even make it to the off the radar list. OUCH! So I made a2 bad passes all night. Non that ended as a goal. Not making excuses. Anyway I wanted to mention that I thought Brendon did a pretty good job trying to coach the team. The miss cue on the line changes was a fluke. It happend only once and it was just a brain fart on the D.
and not to be too picky but I just checked the stats and I had an assist to one of Rons goals. I need the points, I work hard for them, by bruised body says so
WPR, one long range wrister, one back-hander, a one-timer, and a breakaway.
Only one cheap goal in the bunch.
Matt, I'll try to remember to correct that for you.
matt, to be "off the radar" you would had to have been on the list the week before. it's no knock against you for not being on that list. in fact it is a knock if you are on it.
i think we were like 8-2 after 10 week. but some of the scores were 12-3. and they didn't like that we just kept running up the score.
The refs did nothing to stop the slashing and holding. It actually got to the point where a mentally unstable guy tried to chock slam Bob Caterino for no reason. and that's when we were pretty much done.
joe played pretty good goalie untill he started blaming us for all the goals he let up and the losses and lost focus on just trying to play his best.
i think lee got an assist too not sure.
Yea Joe didn't like losing, did he flip the net? LOL
5 on sunday works good! i hang out with jared and griff the two people that make fun of people the most. would i come to street hockey if i was nervous about getting ragged on? no, its funny an i would expect it. it is hard to come sometimes because i like watching football and laying around on my couch and not moving but thats a different discussion for another day. i love these posts, they are hilarious
recap!!
were is the recap!!
are we gonna hear from BB this week or is he still having computer issues??
Just when I thought I could drop the D and just be Mike, Mike P came back and now there is a Mike W
and john you know you didn't win too many face-offs when you can remember the one you did win
That was a very important one. Actually up until that tourney I had never really taken many faceoffs before. And there were other ones than that one, it just happened to be at a critical moment.
BTW, 5:00 this week guys. Inside rink.
Sorry brett I didn't know how the system worked, I hope I don'r make off the radar this week. Lee Did make an assist I think it was on the other Ron goal after mine.
No props for tough D if your team gets beat two out of three games, evn if the games are tight.
So it must be about the offense only. I get it. I think everyone should play offense.
just kidding
Hey, if you were to pick an all-star team.
Who would you pick to start at each position?
Left wing, center, right wing, left defense, right defense, and goalie?
ron, john, jared, brett, mike meadows and steve. hands down
No way! I'd go with Steve in net of course ...but Joe & nick on D.
John center, Ron and Jared on fowards.
i'd go with Dave in net
Mike Meadows? He's played once
all star forwards
Scott, Ron, Eric
Ron John and Scott
dale and Joe
Dave
All Pro Team in this anonymous eyes (and for reference, I'm one of them)
Forwards Lines...
Jared, John, Brett
Ron, Billy, Eric
Defensive pairs
Bobcat, Scott
Joe, ?? (sorry Nick, your not ready for my all pro team)
Who could step up? Good question.
mike meadows would eat up ron l
who is bobcat , scott??
Oh, and that's not a mistake...
Brett easily makes the team playing Forward.
bob caterino and scott finlayson
Sorry fellas, my bad... All Pro Team means staring lineup only...
So... tough decision but I would select...
Ron, John, Eric
Brett, Bobby
Gotcha, Thanks
maybe if scott could hit the net more. And i don't know if Bobcat still has what it takes. he seemed to be losing it the 2nd time we went to florida. He still had a decent shot though. and he always had tons of blocked shots. I'd still take him over Joe though
i meant he blocks alot of shots
Just a quick note on Johnny in the first year tournament--I voted for him because of all the forwards I thought he made the best effort at defense. There were a half-dozen or so plays where his backchecking alone saved a goal. That's why he got my vote, as the defense is far more important to me than the offense. His offense was ineffective in that tourney, but then again, almost every forward's offense was, as we weren't exactly a scoring powerhouse.
And yes, Brett, you're right--I was out of shape in the second year. Then again, I was out of shape in the first year as well, and still am out of shape. But in that first year we had far more talent, and the shots were kept to the outside and to the point, and I had a couple of games' practice before playing. I wish I could go to one of these tournaments after having played for a couple of months to get my angles and endurance and everything back. It's frustrating to start to get it back and then not play for another year.
Save that 1st year i though you played better than most any other goalie i've ever seen play. My Brother Darrin use to be out of this world good till he hurt his knee. you were right there with him.
Eric Jared and Billy held their own on offense especially when the playoffs kicked in.
And that second year was the most terrible experience of my life.
And given a vote for top lines, I would put it as follows:
Brett(with a healed hand...then again...) forward
John forward
Jared forward
Ron defense
Dan N defense
The forwards are obvious. Ron's shot can score from the point, and he plays excellent defense. Danny rarely gets beat on defense, and is extremely good at making the smart play. Though Joe plays great defense as well, I guess I'm biased as I've played with Dan more and know how he plays.
Agreed on the second year. I completely agree I was bad the second year, then again that first game was the first I had played in a year, as I went straight to the tourney, with no practice. There was also a giant difference in the quality shots I faced between year 1 and 2, though if I'm playing at the top of my game the score would have been cut in half each game. But after the other team is up four or five goals and there's no sign of defense in sight, I stop caring as much. I may not tip over a net like mad Joe, but my frustration shows in my game, as I can't focus as well.
i need all your xbox live I.D. i'll be getting it soon
Interesting topic...
I would obviously start with Dave in net. When he's on his game he can be the best goalie in an entire tournament.
On defense I start with Ron. He knows how to play and he has the best scoring range out of anyone with his shot (he'd be like our 3-point shooter). He also knows how to pick his spot at carrying the puck from the D.
The next spot is tough. Chris has potential, but needs to develop the offensive side of his game. Joe has great tools (grit, hard shot, puck carrying skills) and probably is the best D in Saugus, but he can be a bit out of position at times.
Bobby has some of those same skills, but appears to have lost a bit of a step, and can be too much of a gambler at times.
Danny N. is actually a very good choice. Plays extremely smart, and is very good positionally. He's tougher than he looks, and while not a speed burner is still very quick. Obvious issues right now are the ability to get his shot through from the point, and conditioning since he's played 2 or 3 times in about 5 years.
Overall though, I'd probably take Nick. Communicates very well with his D, has started to learn how to pinch in on the offense, has improved his shot, and plays very physical. Can be inconsistent in Saugus, but really stepped up in MTL.
For forwards left to right I'd go with Jared, myself, and Brett. Each forward can do it all: pass, shoot, carry the puck, play defense (even Jared when he's motivated). We can cycle the puck on offense, or play a fast-break transition game. The funny thing is though, I don't think we've ever played together as a line.
So, in summary
Jared, John, Brett
Ron, Nick
Dave
Brett, my account is Dee Rye - yes, I've been too lazy to change it from when Dave gave it to me.
So on the Xbox now we will have:
me
Dave,
Jared,
Griff,
Mike D,
Brett
Brendon is also rumored to be getting one soon. That will be a fun league to setup for NHL10.
Brett, Florida year two was worse than the table saw?
yes cause i'm still getting paid.
Well thanks for those positive comments Dave. Oh, and feel free to toss me under the bus for my dumb plays too
I always get juiced up to play a stronger D when a goalie makes a save that should of been a goal.
It drives me to intercept a pass, or cover an open man... to save a goal.
When in the offensive zone, playing D can be alot of fun when the forwards take advantage of an opportunity to pass to the open point man.
This is just one of the few elements in Saugus that I think needs improvement.
who is danny N? the kid that comes with his brother?
danny n is john and daves cousin
not danny hall
what time on Sunday? what kind of teams are we looking at???
I am ready to go!!!! Played some hockey with my 12 year old and I trashed him too!!!
Watch out ron jr. I am coming at you.
OK, sorry, I got a bit out of line!!!
present players:
C - John
LW - Jared
RW - Ron
LD - Brett
RD - Joe
G - whoever is hot this week
past players:
C - Scott F
LW - Eric F
RW - Billy D
LD - Bob C
RD - Mike W
G - Dave R
Sunday is at 5:00. I booked the indoor rink, but would you guys prefer to play outside?
i always think of Billy as a tremendous player that never reached his potential. He had all the tools to be the best. Speed, shot, pass, everything. He just never had the desire to be the best
Eric is one of the best all time. The only thing is that he doesn't make his teamates better. In fact he excludes them from the offense all together. I liked playing with him cause i was a setup man anyway and we worked really well together, kinda like me and Johnny last year. But Scotty and Billy are pure shooters too so i don't think they'd be good together.
But just based on skill alone they'd be my top forwards.
Mike W is an interesting choice
im up for playing inside, supposed to be rainy and the floor outside can get slick
Xbox Live accounts:
Dee Rye - John
Dee Rye 08 - Dave
byfieldjared - Jared
Bodhi99 - Mike D
thegriff1234567 - Ryan
I think all of us except Mike have NHL 10, and Jared and I have Madden 10. Jared and myself are typically online the most, as I "work" from home and Jared's just a slacker. Creating an online league of NHL10 would be interesting. I no longer dominate like I did in 09.
Billy has the best shot of anyone that I've faced while playing net. Granted, my experience in net is limited compared to the regular goalies, but Billy's was the toughest.
If we're talking past forwards, then Borges from 4 years ago would be on the list.
but you have to think Johnny that the competition back then wasn't as good as it was 2 years ago when ron and billy and eric and me first started playing.
So john might have looked alot better than he actually was.
When we started playing his skills went down.
Actually Brett I played 1 season before I recruited the Power houses of Brett, Billy and Eric.
I'll readily admit that in my 1st year or two, I wasn't very good with transitioning from ICE hockey to Dek hockey.
I still think my Dek hockey skills are not as good as Ice hockey.
So I have a little upside :)
Injury prone however.
There's probably some truth to that. But I think an equally large factor is the fact he really got out of shape over the past 5 years.
He always was a very good offensive player, albeit maybe not a complete "pure scorer" (although he had really improved his slap shot). On top of that though, he was VERY good defensively as a forward, and had very good endurance. Those skills started definitely eroding though.
new list:
rank all players who have played (past or present) based on their overall skills at the peak of their game.
For example, Joe might have good weeks or bad weeks, but assume that this is Joe at his absolute best. How would you rank em? everyone who has played with us in the past is eligible. What is your top 20 or 30 list?
anyone up to the challenge?
Haven't seen most of these guys in their prime, so I'm not up to it.
brad
ronnie
cliff
warren
ariel
You forgot Brenden, he goes above Ariel...
lest not forget she sent him flying high in the air
Ron, you are very observant. The fact that you primarily play offense and recognize that the offensive front needs to utilize the points more is greatly appreciated. alot of us defensive guys feel the same way. We do talk about it and some of us feel it's because we don't have a great shot or are not good enough players for you to trust us up at the point. This isn't true all the time but it does need some work.
If the offense uses us more we WILL get better at handling the pass and shooting it. Good things do happen when the puck is going toward the net. But I think the offense trys harder than they need to to score on there own. I would rather take a controled pass from my foward in the corner then to try and stop the ball from getting out because the other team broke you up. Thats why we get caught pushing up too much trying to get a loose ball before the other guy. So let try to use the points more and you may see the defensive #'s go up. Unfortunately the offensive #'s my go down a bit
Any comments from the other defensive players? I would like to hear some comments from the goalies too! They have the best vantage point of who need to do what. Just a thought what do y"all think.
Keep in mind I’ve only been playing for 1 ½ seasons
20 Lee - Blocks a lot of shot but doesn’t have on himself.
19 Reggie - I’ve only seen flashes of what he could be, or was.
18 Joel - Try next time you play.
17 Nick - Up the boards can define his D moves.
16 Cliff - If only he kept studying.
15Griff - When is he at his best? When slashing and on D or slashing and on O.
14 Mike D. - The word solid comes to mind.
13 Brendon - He can finish, but to see him play can be frustrating.
12 Mike W. - WAS developing into a great defenseman.
11 Dale - His hockey theories are a little off but he knows how to play.
10 Joe - Has patented the knee slide.
9 Jared - 1 dimensional player. Still fast though. Needs to develop his game more.
8 Bobcat - Top D man to ever play in Saugus.
7 Jon Borges - Yeah I lied when I said all those mean things. His shot was underrated. And he’s lefty.
6 Brett - It’s no fluke that he’s climbed the stat sheet so quick in so few games. Still not at his peak.
5 Ron - Started his street hockey career a little late in life. Most knowledgeable.
4 Billy - Maybe he is the better Driscoll. But only when on roller blades.
3 John R - Can’t ignore all the stats.
2 Eric F - Maybe if he played in sneakers and not boots and jeans he’d be #1. Best puck handler ever.
1 Scott F - Shot equal or better to Ron and he’s faster and stronger than everyone else.
brett, no one wants to hear from you
too late
Hey Brett,
I kinda agree with your top 10. Wouldn't it be a great
Game if top 5 could play the top 6-10?
There would be some awesome D with Joe and Bob
Together.
i think we'd get killed
D-Joe. Vs. D-ron
D-bob. D-billy
F-jared. F-eric
C-JB. C-JR
F-brett. F-scott
those teams are slaughter. Unless we had Dave and they had jimmy C for goalies
i remember jared john and jb beat eric scott and billy 2 out of 3 with brett in net for them last year.
They definitely have the advantage. That's why they're top 5. But I think J.B in his prime is better than J.R. and having you with a good hand, plus Joe and Bobcat in their prime it would be closer.
Matt, I can't speak for anyone else. However, when I have the puck down low in the zone I first look to see if I have a good shot available, or an open forward. If not, then I look to the points to see if they are open. If they are, I almost always pass it back to the points.
That's not to say that I never miss them when they are open, but I am aware of them. My theory has always been to pass the puck around and find the open guy (whether it's someone with a good point shot like Joe, or whether it's someone like Brad who doesn't have one), as that will usually help lead to a goal.
The problem is, lately it hasn't worked out that way. More often then not when I've passed it back to the point the pass is either missed completely, or the player takes a shot and has it blocked - both of which lead to chances for the opposing team.
When I'm passing back to the point the biggest thing I'm looking for is for the defenseman to get the shot through to the net. I'm not necessarily expecting them to score - just get the shot through. Granted, not every pass going back to the point is going to be easy to handle, and sometimes shots do get blocked. But the percentage of time that it happens does not make passing back to the point a good play anymore.
And the thing is, you don't need a good slap shot for it to work. I have one of the worst slap shots there, but the rare times I'm shooting from the point I almost always get the shot through to the goalie. Even if someone took the shot and it goes wide, or they simply dump the puck in the corner, at least we can maintain possession since our offensive guys are down low. Yet, when the opposite happens and it simply becomes a turnover it makes me feel less-inclined to continue to send it to the point since it is not helping the team.
I will still be passing back to the point, but as someone that does look for the point-men, they need to work on making it a viable option.
i think JB and jared were one of the best duo
especially when they played shirtless
You see that's where you go wrong. The deeper you go the tougher the angle. As you go deeper you should then be thinking pass across or to drop pass whoever is behind you. Usually the point. Now it's not said that the point has to shoot, he could pass to a number of better options.
The Ultimate, Most Concise, Most Complete Ranking System is Coming...
The tapes from the last 3 years have been sent over to the one and only Triple P.
The Professor is sure to bring about some nods of agreement and some head shaking of No's.
These are the players being ranked, it's not too late to add someone we missed. Better be quick though, the Professor charges by the minute.
Here is the current list of current and past players we have a history with. Billy, Bobby, Brendon, Brett, Chris, Dale, Eric, Griff, Jared, JB, Joe, Joel, Johnny, Lee, Matt, Mike D, Nick, Reggie, Ron, Scott
Lenny D
Bradley
and theres so many more too. Are you just going for the "main" players, or the ones that played with us the most? or who made the biggest impact?
Needs to be players that have a history of playing at least once in a while during the past 3 years.
For instance, that pretzel dude that runs a 4.25 40 could be ranked.
Lol
funny, but not likely:
"Darrell Green, who ran one of the fastest 40-yard dashes ever at 4.09 seconds, had a collegiate best of 10.08 s in the 100 meters. Justin Gatlin, who ran 9.85 s for a gold medal at the 2004 Olympic 100 metres, has a verified 40-yard dash best of 4.42 s."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40-yard_dash
What is likely though is that this kid is the fastest guy that we've ever played with.
I've said it before, if he could learn to carry the ball, he'd be a tremendous player.
you can never run as fast with the ball
If you pick it up and hold it like a football you can!!!!
I know, but if he was just an average to good stick handler he would be awesome.
One good hip check, and he'd be all done though.
One good hip check, and he'd be all done though.
I thought this was a no check league!
tell that to griff.
Top 5 Saugus
5. Brett
4. JB
3. Ron
2. Jared
1. Johnny
Eric was awesome too but didn't see too much of him play. And Billy pretty much wore rollerblades and took slapshots.
BB apologizes for lack of posts, however, he would like to throw his top 10 saugus list into the mix! On we go!
10 Joe
9 Brendon
8 Griff
7 Billy
6 Eric
5 Brett
4 Ron
3 JB
2 Jared
1 Johnny
Brett is a little confused with some past players, i'm sure wpr would agree more with this list. Scott #1? What stat are you looking at? ppg, point %, scott would be great don't get me wrong, but he's had a hard time shooting the ball accurately. He just hasn't played enough. Billy, like the previous poster said, wore roller blades last year and didn't dominate, sure in previous years he'd have moments of greatness but most of the time didn't try hard enough.
Bobcat? Was that a joke? If it was all time buzzkill at saugus award. He made us, i mean you guys, do drills and practice. I'm not sure he's even played a game there in 4 years. Eric i agree is the most talented player and is rediculous, certainly hasn't played enough though, and his numbers are still lower than the other top guys, (ppg, ppw, etc.)
BB promises a real board next week! Hopefully he won't have to steal his parents computer to type his posts!
Jonny, It figures that you were the only one to coment so far. You and ron are the exception to what we see. Ive made comments to you before and I stand by it that you are the most balanced player out there Not the fastest not the hardest shot, but fundementaly balanced. and you shot seems to fine the net from whereever you are and you do look for the pass,and like I said Ron looks for the pass as well.
Matt, keep in mind too that in some cases guys simply do not have the vision or offensive instincts to find guys at the point.
Sure, someone like Dale doesn't really pass much to begin with, so it's highly unlikely the point men would get many passes from him. But take other players like Mike D, Brendon, Mike P - guys that are pretty good offensively. For the most part, they do not possess the vision or play-making ability to hang onto the puck and find open guys at the point. Their focus is strictly from 20 feet outside the net in. I don't think in their case it's from not wanting to pass to the points, it's just that it either rarely occurs to them or they never look around when they have the puck and see who is open at the points.
As for players like Jared, Brett, Ron, etc - I have no idea how often they look to the point for open guys. But like I said earlier, it's a two-way street: the point-men have to make sure they can consistently get the puck through to the net so that the puck-carrier can be confident passing it that way.
BB, I think Brett should definitely be above Borges on that list. Maybe if we're taking into account pre-stat era hockey at Saugus it might be a little different, but Brett has already surpassed JB stat-wise, and during the "stat era" Borges' endurance and level of play began to seriously tail off.
I think that the fact that I'm tied for 2nd in assists shows that I have really improved in my ability to carry the puck, find the open guy, and get my shots on net.
I often kick it back to the point when it's open and I'm in a position where I can safely get it to them.
As far as Mike d goes, since he is in the high center spot(which I think he plays very well) looks FOR the pass or a rebound, so I don't look for him as much to pass.Ron again is real good at finding the open guys,and as far as the last games Brendon off the face offs did a nice job as well. I think Jared and Griff the most need to look up more. and brett was about 50/50 to the point,griff almost never and jared looks more to you or brett than to us at the points.We will get better at handling it if we get it more.I have been working on getting shot on net more but its different in a game situation. Thats where we need the more experience.
One more thing The teams that are doing the best usually are the teams that use the whole rink.that seems to be the observation from the defense during the games.
All-time (present era)
10 Dale
9 Cliff
8 Joe
7 Brett
6 Jared
5 Scott
4 Ron
3 Eric
2 JB
1 Johnny
Again, The points are there not only to get it throught to the net. You can pretty much put it on net from anywhere if thats what you want to do. But of course it's 5 on 5 not 3 on 3 so the points should be used to help swing the puck around opening the playing zone up, helping to get someone open. They help creat the play once the play is now in the zone. That's what the center should have been doing from the get go when entering the offensive zone. The defensman doesn't simply shoot it whenever he get's it at the point, (watch some hockey games)howabout he passes it right back to whomever gave it to him. Now the defender(winger) is more likely to be out of position and this continues until someone is open. Of course the defense has to have a good shot(due to thier constant good view of the net) and why wingers traditionaly do not.
All-star teams
Jared Cliff
John JB
Brett VS Eric
Dale Joe
Scott Scott
All-star teams
Jared Cliff
John JB
Brett VS Eric
Dale Joe
Scott Ron
Is what I meant
Again, The points are there not only to get it throught to the net. You can pretty much put it on net from anywhere if thats what you want to do. But of course it's 5 on 5 not 3 on 3 so the points should be used to help swing the puck around opening the playing zone up, helping to get someone open. They help creat the play once the play is now in the zone. That's what the center should have been doing from the get go when entering the offensive zone. The defensman doesn't simply shoot it whenever he get's it at the point, (watch some hockey games)howabout he passes it right back to whomever gave it to him. Now the defender(winger) is more likely to be out of position and this continues until someone is open. Of course the defense has to have a good shot(due to thier constant good view of the net) and why wingers traditionaly do not.
I agree 100%
I am trying to say that the only job of the point-men is to try to put it on net. If they have open guys to pass to, or can even carry it then that's absolutely fine.
However, being the "last line of defense" before the goalie, they HAVE to make sure that whatever they do does not result in turning the puck over - whether via a blocked shot or just flat-out losing the puck.
It's a good topic though.
It's everyones job to get it on net, that's how you score goals. it's true though that one of the primary job of the defense is to hope to get a pass when their open to take that shot and hopefully score. That's one of the reasons why Ron, Joe, or Dale are such good defensmen. They can score. Now if the wings are deep in the corners like they should be then the center who should be in the slot now becomes the shooter. That's why John, Brett and Ron make good centers. They have good shots: slapshots, snapshots, and wristshots almost always on net.
anyone else having a hard time loading career stats page? Nick can you check on this?
looks fine to me...sorry?
I know that's not the answer you want but I dont know what else to say.
Hey couple points about using the points. In theory it sounds great, dish it up to the point open some space up, crash the net, all wonderful things, but that's rarely how it turns out.
Personally i'm usually way down low with the ball with a good defender like joe covering me. I'd rather have the center or wing go behind the night to give me some help, it's difficult to whip a pass 50 feet pass joe and through the defender whose on you. Even if i do that, the percentages of you then having time to get a shot through becomes even lower.
Plus up at the point is usually where guys like ron and brendon are hanging out waiting to pounce and create a turnover, i'd rather keep it down low. Your best bet as a defensemen if you want to get involved offensively is to do what joe, or ron when he plays d does, and that's pick a spot to run in to beat your defender for a one-timer.
So yes there are definately times we should use the points, but a lot of times there's a less risky play.
I finally get to post! Too bad it's the end of the week and no one is reading.
And that's a good things when the points draw out the wingers so that it frees up the attack zone so you fowards can do your thing with more room, which means that if you make the pass to the point they better be open.
Being open at the point is sometimes difficult especially with someone like lenny d who hangs up at the point. When the point does get the puck and does have room the either shoot pass or take it in some Mike D does a great job of covering the defense. Props to Mike. You are right john we are the last defense so we don't want to get out of position. Each week cobo is different but we as def. should find a way to be in sinc with the offense.
And right you are Matt. It sure is difficult if you have a good foward on the opposite team covering the point like Mike. But thats where the team concept comes into play. Are the fowards taking advantage of the open ice left by the wingers covering the point or are the just trying to stick handle into a crowd. Puck movement is ALWAYS the key to a good attack.
Communication as well. Discipline on both sides, What do i do...shoot at the net? dump and chase into the corner or wind up from behind the net? Look for the open point to either shoot or swing it across to the open winger that can't be reached.
The one and only thing that must be taken into consideration is ..."If I pass it now ,will it be intercepted for a breakaway?"
Theres alot of talent out there now, it's a shame that sometimes it's all about the STATS.
Quick correction on my last post: I meant to say that the point man's job is NOT only to get the puck on net...if a play can be made elsewhere, then make it happen.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't think the reason why the puck might not go to the point as often as it should is because of guys looking for stats. I think it's a combination of different things including guys not being aware of the point-men being open: almost like they have tunnel-vision towards the net.
Mike, that wasn't supposed to be a shot against you earlier either...I just haven't noticed you feeding the points very much in the past, but I might simply have missed it. My overall point though was that a player like you or Brendon isn't a "ball-hog". You just might not have the ball on your stick long enough to carry it around in the zone and find the guys at the point open.
by the way, nick you are not off the hook for a recap of last week, make it quick, and make it funny. You have like 15 hours, hurry!!!
55% of the white teams players last week didn't register a point
Nevertheless a recap would be useless at this point. No way would it be an accurate one being so long ago...but when have we ever gotten an accurate recap anyway.
Correction, 55% of the white team DID score a point. Lee and Matt S Both got an assist on 2 of Rons goals That diddn't get recorded YET. So what was the point you were making
recaps are accuarte...from my own viewpoint.
Matt, where were (looks funny, eh?) you tonight? Starting all this trouble on the board and you didnt even show...tisk, tisk.
i thought we said we weren't going to tell people to stop coming.
go pats!
Sorry I had to make it to the one day assem. My wife and I missed our and this was the last one thisyear till June or something
One again, a good group played a great game in which everybody had a good time. However, this week yielded a much different result than last week! Bobby's great playing in net was not enough to keep the Red team afloat as the defense infront of him seemed to be absent at times. The Not Red team was able to score 10 times. Oh well, at least everybody had fun. That's what counts!
BOURNE POWER RANKINGS
1. JOHN - Yes, as stated last week, John would rise in the rankings. As an offensive option on every possesion, and a playmaker on both ends of the ice, John had the game that everyone knew he would have.
2. BILLY - Yeah, his team lost...by a lot. Yeah, he confused his defense a little bit by playing all over the ice. But, he's Billy. He was the main scorer on an abomination of an offense. And abomination wins, so quiet!
3. DAVE - He also was a big contributor to the success of the Not Red team, taking advantage of the fleeing Red defense.
4. DAN - He plays the point like no one else. He can score, or set up the play. Dan had way more options this week and used them well.
5. JOHNNY - He Continued his strong play into this week, "doing what's best to help his team", as the kids are saying.
Can someone please tell me what the "Bourne" recap is and should i care??
Reggie
And I am assuming that neither the John nor the Johnny mentioned in the Bourne recap is JR, right?
it's scott mirch inbetween working on his terrible morgan freeman voice
nick i boycotted due to lack of a re-cap!! no just went to a 4:30 meeting on sunday for some reason (worst time for a meeting), maybe i'll come next sunday if there's a recap. i hope you somehow incorporate bill b's horrible usage of timeouts, going for it on 4th and 2 on our 30 yard line, and maroney being horrible yet again this week. where was sammy morris i thought he was supposed to be back? i think the pats should hold open tryouts for running backs, maybe we can get marky mark in the backfield.
matt d
so why wasnt jared on john's team this week? Was john sick of losing? :)
where's wpr???? and a recap???
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