Monday, September 21, 2009
Riley Rocks when Opportunity Knocks
The teams were slightly weighed in Riley’s favor at the beginning of the night. However, Riley opened the door and welcomed Dale to his fold and from then on the balance of power proved too much to overcome for TPJ’s mix of old and young talent.
TPJ’s team notched the victory in the first game, but it was all downhill after that. From my vantage point, Johnny had the deck stacked. If they didn’t dominate, there would have been some serious crying going on.
Way to go Johnny. Enjoy your shallow victories.
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I think PPP calls them like he sees them.
The underlying reason for not balancing the teams is all about the stats. Competitive games are not as important as leading in the stats column.
Hey listen, I want to score 5 goals and have 5 assists in a night too. But I’d much rather do it on a level playing field.
Let’s hear the rebuttal, Mr. Must Score the Most
wait a minute
you had 2 of the top 3 players
According to BB there isn't a 4th "good" player unless Brett is there
and don't go saying you couldn't over come Mike K
Steve played really well so don't hang him out to dry either
You also had Griff
You decided not to take Dale
Granted Jimmy was supposed to be on dark, but whose fault is that for not speaking up
Outside of John, who couldn't you match up against?
Weekly Power Rankings
Week 2 - The Unbalanced Laundry Load
Top 5:
5. JR - So easy to put him up here - the points, the wins - but let's face it, he had more help than the white team. One scout said that John didn't like Jared's team so he forced a little "balancing" on him. Hmm. Seems like he overshot. With that much talent on his side, even Bradley could have end up here. Well, maybe not.
4. Ron - He was a one man army out there moving the puck, taking slapshot after slapshot, getting the goals. Now if only he could have played 59 minutes out of every hour to make up for the lack of talent out there like somebody we know.
3. Jack - One of Jack's best games by far this year (or last year for that matter). Made some key saves and great blocks (where did that stick save come from?) but his play is slightly diminished because of the white team's own inability to put the puck into the empty net ohhh so many times.
2. Jared - Yeah, yeah, I know what you're gonna say. Why is he up here? And at number 2? Listen, some days Jared comes to play. Other days he comes to whine and complain and lose. Not this time. Well, he did lose twice. 'But if he puts half of the shots in that were only milimeters away from going in, the white team wins at least two games, if not, maybe all three.' according to one scout (see what I did there, nick?) Jared came to play. He just forgot to bring a team with him. Next time hold your ground and don't cave in to Johnny's demands for "fair" teams.
1. The Post - Or the crossbar, or the invisible bricks in front of the black net. Since there is no such thing as luck, let's just call it good fortune. How many times did we see the ball flirt with the goal line and somehow stay on the safe side? Jared had open looks, Ron had chances, so many defelections, post, crossbar, and, according to one source, there was a certain player that would have had an easy goal if he just lifted it into the empty net. Call it what you will, it was on the side of the black team today. We're not sure that you can award that spot to any one person for it, so we're gonna go with the Goalie's Best Friend on this one.
Bottom 5: This week they are all no-shows.
5. Danny N: Danny, Danny, wherefore art thou, Danny?
4. Reggie: Lots of talk about Reggie coming back healthy. So where is he?
3. Taylor: Isn't he healthy by now? If so, is he done with hockey forever? What's up with that?
2. Bradley: gets this spot every week no matter what until he wows us. Not showing up won't do it.
1. Brett: Two weeks in a row of bailing on your team when they needed you. You'd better have a good excuse! Wait, what am I saying, there's no good enough excuse.
PPP lashes out i love it!!!
PPP lashes out i love it!!!
WPR how about giving some credit to rest of the dark team for completely smoothering Jared & Ron and not letting them do much of anything?
Again comparing man to man who on the dark team couldn't the white match up against?
well that's why we only listen to the real WPR's opinion
from what i've heard it sounded like jared had the more talented players on the night.
sounds like someone is jealous on the black team. and they know it too because they were too scared to leave their name.
nope. you heard wrong.
jealous of what?
you know what.
If you compare the defense of Joe, Nick, Dale, and Lenny to Lee, jimmy, Shane, and Chris, you can see there's a little bit of a mismatch on defense.
Hey if you don’t stir the pot then you’ve got nothing to serve the hungry players!
Looking at the physique of some of those guys, you know they got some BIG appetites.
The professor has never bought in to the Top 4 philosophy. The team wins together and loses together.
That being said, sure there are top players, however, the tier 2 players and tier 3’s make up the biggest part of the team, especially when 20 people show up like last night.
Unbalanced Laundry Load… I like that!!!
if you compare the forwards the white team had the upper hand
if that's the case then Jared needs to pick those players better
who on the dark team could the white team not find an answer for?
There’s 2 anonymous posts, one saying white had better D and the other saying white had better Forwards.
There you have it... it’s all settled :) The dark team is only interested in padding their stats.
the teams were pretty close but Dale (who i drafted) put dark over the top. take it as a compliment dark team. your defense was excellent led by joe and company with all strong players. And before you say our offense was better, let's think for a bit about who played up for us. Nonetheless good games and i'll get johnny one of these weeks!
We’ll I would start by saying 5 on 4 when Mike K was out there.
Oh, wait… Johnny came over and said Kazzis was playing surprisingly well. Forget it, I'm wrong... Kazzis was dominate.
keep your chin up, tpj!
Kasis played extremely well for his handicap. That being said, how can you not acknowledge the fact that the white team had a line with a winger playing one-handed? It really doesnt matter - there was a serious line problem that obviously couldn't be overcome. Next time, Johnny can take him and see if he plays as well as he thinks.
TPJ got obliterated on one play in front of the net. If that would of been me, I'd be on injured reserve right now. That play was absolutely NUTS.
I slipped and fell all alone and my quad is telling me to shut it done this morning.
white team was bruised and battered. like chicken. battered like chicken. Yummmm.
look again
1 post was trying to point out that dark had better D
the other said white had better forwards
whats your point?
Ahhh wasn't Kasis playing forward for white?
Oh ya, he was their power forward. I'm mistaken, my bad.
yup your right, white team had better forwards.
Outside of Mike K
white had better forwards
Joel was hurt
Jeff wasn't a dominating force
Dale was OK
Listen it is what it is, I understand that, but show me Mike K + - on the night?
Saying outside of Mike K... white has better forwards is an absolute joke.
You've got to come up with more than that. I file that post in the lame analysis category.
When will you learn? No one cares about any other power rankings but the real one. And now, IT'S TIME FOR..... THE WEEKLY POWER RANKINGS!! Brought to you by the makers of "Born Free", the bottle that babies prefer most.
Back to 3 top players
5 JR - Ok so the imposter power rankings got this one right. But not because he had more help, cause he didn't (on offense anyway). Johnny may have had 7 points on the night, 3G 4A but if he didn't score someone else would have. Meaning his offense performed above their expected production level. I'm waiting for the week that Johnny isn't in the top five. I criticize him and he still makes the top five.
4 Ron - Don't let the insults get to you. You are a Clydesdale among donkeys when playing in Saugus. But also don't let the injuries get you down. You being there raises the level of play. Even though you didn't produce like last week, I hope it's not a sign of wearing out just two weeks into the season. I don't think it is.
3 Jack - That one save. That one stinking save puts you in the 3 spot. "And that's all I have to say about that" (where's that quote from)
2 Joe - Smothering. Like a grandmother smothers her first grandchild. Joe shut down the opposing offense and reduced them to taking shots from far away. I think his sweep check is as deadly as his knee slide.
1 Dale - When Dale is on he is ON. Even though he consistently shows up late, Dale is that player that can tip the scales dramatically, whether it be for better or worse (most times it's for the better). Dale will be in the top five in points this year, you watch. I'd take the chance and take him on my team every time.
Wow, I see Ron's initial post in the morning, and then look now and there's 28 more...I gotta start paying more attention!
Okay folks, let's take a step back and look at this rationally for a minute.
First, as for drafting, I always strive to pick fair teams. In fact, the last couple of years when I've been done picking teams I often get told to stop picking them so that my team is the underdog. That being said, the ONLY difference in the way that teams were picked was that Jimmy ended up on the white team with Jared, and Dale ended up on our team.
It was simply an oversite that Jimmy ended up on Jared's team. However, Dale did not arrive till late in game 1, and we were getting destroyed (ended up losing 5-2). Jared said at that point to just take Dale instead. So to say I'm trying to "stack the teams in my favor" is pretty much a load of crap.
Second, let's look at these actual teams:
Goalies - let's call it a wash. My dad made a bunch of great saves, although at least 2 goals from Jared and 1 from Ron were of the soft variety (wrist shots from near the point). Steve made some very good saves as well, and didn't let up many if any bad goals.
Defense - Black team had Joe, Nick, Danny, Lenny. White team had Chris, Jimmy, Lee, and Shane. I'd give Danny a slight edge over Shane, Lee a slight edge over Lenny, Chris and Nick about a wash, and Joe much better than Jimmy. We get an edge, and our D played very well all night diving around and making plays, but the white team had some talent on D.
Offense - White teams's first line: Jared, Ron, Griff. Black team's first line: JR, Joel, Jeff. Joel is just getting back into hockey so is not up to speed yet. Made some great shots, but also got injured in game 2 and couldn't really run afterwards. Jeff was playing street hockey for only the second time. He made a couple of nice plays, but a big edge goes to the White team.
White team's second line: Brendon, Matt S, Kazes. Black teams second line: Dale, Mike D, Cam. At best, this is a wash, but might even favor the White team. Cam was playing for the first time, and he's a young kid. Think Taylor's size when he first started playing. Cam will improve, but he and Kazes were a wash. That leaves Mike D and Dale against Brendon and Matt S. Again, this was about a wash.
So goalies are even, black team has an edge on D, white team has an edge on offense. There is no huge talent advantage on the Black team.
Finally to quote either Ron or Jared, whoever posted the WPR, you said that luck was the single biggest factor in determining the outcome. Why do you say that? Because throughout the night the white team had FAR greater scoring chances than the Black team did. We were dominated for large stretches. We just happened to capitalize better on the chances that we did have. Our D adjusted very nicely and were able to control Jared and Ron a lot better after Game 1. The forwards were pretty even as far as ice-time goes, which ultimately led to me having enough energy at the end of the night.
And to quote Columbo, "one more thing" - my focus last night was on getting wins, not stats. I adjusted my game accordingly (more subbing, played better defensively, and looked to pass more often), and as a result only had 3 goals.
WPR, you weren't even there. So who cares about your analysis? You're getting all of your information second hand anyway. I'd prefer to get the rankings from someone who was actually there over someone who wasn't there any day.
Cam and Kases are a wash? The white team's second line was a wash with the black team's second line? Are you kidding me? John that post was full of more crap than Biff's car in Back to the future 2. Kases couldnt even move the ball. he cant stickhandle. How is that a wash? He did his best to not get beaten by the other side too much but he just couldnt contribute to the offense. How in the world can you think it was a wash? You take him next time and well take cam.
And tell me what Cam did? I am not trying to pick on him since it was his first game and he tried, but he was afraid to touch the puck. As soon as he got it he tried to get rid of it. He wasn't creating turnovers, carrying the puck, making passes, playing defense, or getting any shots off. Again, only natural until he gets used to playing with us, and I'm sure he'll improve. BUT, I stand by what I said - he and Kazes were a wash.
No he wasnt. cam made some attempted plays on offense. the only thing kases could do was try to keep from losing the ball to the other team. i'll take a guy who can stickhandle (even if he s not that good) over someone who cant anyday. and a lot of times it wasnt completely the second line out there and cam wasnt always on kases. every time he touched th eball it was an automatic turnover. name me one play that he made on offense. one. it was basically three on two, dark on white every time that line was out there.
Look, Cam tried like I said, and I encourage him to continue to come, but he did not do anything for us offensively last night. As you say, he attempted some plays which went no further than 5 feet beyond the center line.
I remember at least several times where Kazes at least got in on the forecheck, and carried into the zone a couple of times. He also had much more speed than I was expecting.
They both had the same impact on the game. And you guys had the better of the play for most of the night anyway. So saying that he killed your offense is laughable. Especially since the players on your second line scored 2 goals, our second line scored 3.
All of that being said, your first line should have dominated our first line...it should not even have been close. Whoever this is right now, Jared or Ron, you had what should have been much better talent on the first line (especially since it was a motivated Griff that showed up).
Your second line only scored 3?
Yes, Dale with 1, Mike D with 2.
John - Mike was often on your line
How did Dale get the number one spot by only scoring one goal? Oh yeah, right - WPR wasnt even there. I forgot.
if Dale only got 1 how did WPR rank him # 1
True, but only in Game 1 and 4 (after Joel and Jeff left). In games 2 and 3 we only played briefly together when our forwards were changing up. But since you mention it, one of his goals came when he was on my line...so our second line only scored twice.
Impact schmimpact. It was three on two. and often it was a better line than your second line. In fact, kases played more time out there against you and joel and jack. Plus he wasnt battling with your wingers. He couldnt get past your defense. Nick, Lenny, Joe. It;s a joke. He never got it past one guy. Not one guy. Think about that. Cam did get it past a few guys. You're so stuck on being right you cant see the forest for the trees. So then he's on your team everytime he shows up now, since he was a wash, and Jared's team will take Bradley or cam or whoever you want to give us.
If you read his comments it seems he's probably basing it on whoever's comment it was that Dale put us over the top.
i mean jeff not jack. whoever he was he was much better than kases.
look if you dont want to face the facts thats ok, just dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining.
You obviously weren't watching the same game...you're too focused on your own team's shortcomings and not seeing the game from our team's vantage point. I was always on the bench when Cam was out, so I know exactly how he played. You guys would have been out there playing and not had the same vantage point. You are basing your whole argument on him "getting it past a few guys". Whatever. Scapegoat Kazes all you want. Jared had a choice: Ron and Kazes on my team or his. After which we each picked one for one.
And BTW, Cam if you come onto the site and reads these posts, don't take anything personally. You played pretty much as was expected, and it takes time to improve.
John of course you liked your vantage point - you were winning!!
Why did Ron & Kazes go as pair?
If Cam & Kazes were a wash why not just switch them?
Because since Brett wasn't there, either my or Jared's team would get an advantage with Ron. Instead of saying to get the next x number of picks, we decided whoever wanted Ron also would get Kazes.
Cam came after that decision was made, and he just happened to be the last player picked.
Yeah, we were winning, but we got destroyed the first game. Kazes didn't hurt you too much then, right? So what happened after that? Was Dale the entire difference (bearing in mind he scored 1 goal).
wow - 50 comments and the day isn't even over
John - we started winning when you got me mad..haha
Once that happen there was no looking back..
And BTW, I would say the same for Kazes-if you come onto the site and read these posts, don't take anything personally...
Listen Dale’s impact was far more reaching than 1 goal, or whatever he contributed in the stat sheet.
Some people take stats way overboard. Dale was a difference maker… PERIOD.
If we would have kept Dale and gave you any one of our D, I believe we would been more evenly matched throughout the night. Dale can move the ball well, he sees the floor, and of course has offensive skills.
I personally think in games 2 and 3 Kasis was out there way too long for each shift. But whatever about Mike, he worked hard and gave it everything he had.
I'm not saying Dale doesn't have skill, but offensively he wasn't a serious force last night.
One goal, one assist.
he did carry the ball well, but he carried it in circles and didn't pass anywhere close to what he should have.
Kases was already complimented plenty. We said that he played extremely well given his handicap. But that doesnt mean that the teasm were even. IMO, cam playing as a newbie was better than kases playing his best. Thats not trying to bring him down, but thats the way it is. Besides, he knows that he is limited out there and no one is going to fault him for not playing up a level or two.
We all headed down to our favorite town
Week number two was in our view
It’s WPR, he’s the Czar
He doesn’t need to play to give us his say.
Johnny was there and made the grade
He would not be swayed into making a trade
Ron played two weeks in a row.
But now I hear that he doesn’t know
The pep talk he needed to play unimpeded
So what about Jack who was dressed in black
He put on quite a show which you already know
Here comes Joe with the slide in toe
His D is great and there’s no debate
Dale was drafted to play in white
Instead he took flight and became a dark knight
So there you have it week 2 is done
But the debate rage on about how dark team won
Thank you Ron for being able to see past the stat sheet.
Jack didn't have any goals but still made the Rankings.
My point being is, unlike how almost everyone else thinks, winning is the most important thing when i do the rankings. And yes stats are a factor. But after Dale showed, JR's team started winning in decisive fasion after losing in a blowout without Dale.
So un-glue your eyes from the stat sheet and pick up your head and watch the play for once. and maybe you'll be able to understand how a player can have an big impact by doing more than just scoring.
P.S. how do you know i wasn't there?
Bradley is better than a kazes. And i'm not trying to be mean.
Whoever is trying to justify kazes being ok, even a little bit, has lost all credibility.
He may have played good for someone who has his handicap, and give him credit for trying. But it's 5 on 4 automatically when he's out there. There's no two ways about it.
Salty dog (the stuffed animal) is the best. I love the picture on the home page
There is more than one person posting anonymously about the fact that it was pretty much a 5-on-4 for the white teams second line. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who thought so. Packaging two players together makes no sense as you can't justify the "balance" between them that supposedly makes teams fair. However, John appears to be th eonly one who thought that Kazes played well enough to be considered a wash in the grand scheme of things.
Does anyone else side with John?
And WPR, we all know that you werent there.
The Alliance Mascot of the 06' Florida team is living a comfortable life in my son's Ronnie's room.
He a good dog, doesn't bug anyone, but I think he really misses the game action.
To go back to the Professors point.
I do buy into the top 4 players.
Especially when Brett and JR are out there all game long and don't sub most nights.
Brett running on 50% at the end of a game is better than Brendon (who i consider to be a second tier player) running at 100%.
And i don't have to worry about offending Brendon cause he doen't visit this site anymore ;) it wasn't meant to be an insult anyway
how often will Kazes be playing?
This could be a record setting post
Contrary to popular belief, I was not there either. I have my game spies and minions that are at my beckon call.
Anybody with a 3 letter acronym has reached the pinnacle. WPR not only hears about the smallest of details, he feels it and can even smell it. That’s right, she smells it. I smell it too and guess what… you stink! :) jk
I’m sure he cringed when Jared was converged upon, from 2 out of control opponents, and driven to the floor in pain.
lol. although im sure tjp isnt laughing about it
brett you posted at 3:47 and 3:49. try to be less conspicuous when you post "anonymously" ha!
and the professor posted 1 minute after me. Does that mean I’m PPP?
people have been posting all day and minutes apart. Brendon.
I learned how to be inconspicuous a long time ago. That would be a rookie mistake
PPP, how can BB get to a 3 letter acronym and join the ranks of WPR and yourself?
Are hte stats up to date? I got a goals last night assisted from ron. But I diddn't see it I need all the points I can get.
I know it was shadowed by my not lifting the ball on a seemingly open net but IT WAS comletely open until superman flew across the net to save it. And if WPR was refering to me when he said Ron should play 59 minute to make up for the lack of talent out there or If a certain player would have just have an easy goal if he just lifted it into the empty net, then tat is fare to say but it IS ok to use my name you use eveyone elses so why not me I won't bite. It will just make me get better!
no matt, the stats will up soon...
Ron, Dale was not a huge difference maker, sorry. There were countless times he would just shoot it from the point when we had the numbers. He wouldnt pass the ball. But he did take his backhand shots. Dale was Dale.
Matt, Nick should be posting the stats tonight I think...I already sent them to him.
I think I have you down for a goal and assist.
"This could be a record setting post"
This is post number 200 on the blog...
I have no delusions of how Kazes played, but the second lines between both teams were a wash. If Kazes was out there too much then he should have been called to the bench more often. And there's no way that you can compare the black teams 1st line with the white team's first line.
To say that you lost games 2 and 3, which you lost by 3 goals each game, because of one player is pretty weak. Kazes also didn't play Game 4, and the White team still was losing. Enough making him the scapegoat. Jared had a choice whether to take Ron and Mike. I would have taken them for my team, but Jared made the choice.
Dale addition to the team happen at the same time that the dark team came together.
I'm not saying Dale didn't bring something to the team, he didn't push us over the edge as a team.
I think he would have added more to the white team than the dark.
After game 1 and starting very quickly into game 2 we started communicating better and we straightened out our defensive coverages which made a HUGE difference.
I'll be honest I didn't really pay attention to how Mike K played because I think I was only out there once or twice at the same time and both times I was on opposite side.
Side question - what's the most post in 1 day?
Step aside Ron, let me handle this one...
Wow, you are a trip Johnny, a real trip. You can't separate a persons value unless they show up in the stat sheet.
I know you won't take this personal :) (because it's not), but you'd be a lousy coach, GM or personal director. Don't worry though, I would hire you to be an assistant to the assistant scouts assistant.
Dale was huge for you guys for a number of reasons...
1. He blocked shots and moved the ball out of the zone.
2. He intercepted passes and moved the ball out of the zone.
3. His tenacious forecheck makes lesser talented players react quickly and make mistakes
4. He has great coordination and positioning so getting around him takes real skill
5. He communicates with people on the floor.
6. He has better than average stick handling ability.
7. He has a terrific shot
8. His backhand may not be his best move, but he sure can use it to score (as evidenced from week 11)
So my dear Watson, I mean little john, is that not a difference maker? He doesn't need to score any points to be a difference maker. Here's a word that is not in your player evaluation arsenal... intangibles.
Thanks old friend, couldn't of said it better if I tried 100 times :)
Here is another way of looking at it.
Last night trade Dale for Kasis and spot white team the 2 points Dale tallied. What you you think?
From Johnny's analysis that is a wash! Am I right or what?
I image you see how ridiculous that sounds!
"1. He blocked shots and moved the ball out of the zone.
2. He intercepted passes and moved the ball out of the zone.
3. His tenacious forecheck makes lesser talented players react quickly and make mistakes
4. He has great coordination and positioning so getting around him takes real skill
5. He communicates with people on the floor.
6. He has better than average stick handling ability.
7. He has a terrific shot
8. His backhand may not be his best move, but he sure can use it to score (as evidenced from week 11)"
so in other words, Dale played Ron tough, so he must be a great player? Only amazing players can shut Ron down. Give me a break! This is a joke Ron. If Dale is such an incredible player I want you to play on his team next week all by yourself. I’m sure you guys will smoke us all.
My point is not to rip on Dale, but this is such a cop out. Dale was not the difference. Mike D said it perfectly, we just played better-Dale had little to no impact on our improvement. Perhaps you guys would have won another game if you didn’t disappear off the stat page after game one. Oh wait! My mistake, the stat page doesn’t tell the whole story (I agree with you on this btw)…I’m sure you were integral in your team’s defense or had great coordination. Why are you trying to hide a few of your rough games with this load of crap? I played awful last week…I didn’t cry about matchups. I said I played awful. You’re team was out played. You would have lost with or (and definitely) without Dale.
BTW, why didnt you write the recap?
"From Johnny's analysis that is a wash! Am I right or what?"
Yeah, the players wash each other out argument usually can’t hold weight. There are far too many variables. But, that being said, Ron, we all realize that there is a group of players (including myself) that are never consistent from week to week. Some weeks they are great, some weeks they are awful. To ask Johnny, Jared or anyone to get these teams perfect is asking far too much. Way to many times we have seen players out perform expectations. But this was not that week for Dale. He was his usual self. No pass just a bunch of “terrific shots” from the point.
Ron, you had no complaints after game 1. When we started to make adjustments, your team decided to complain about the teams instead of readjusting your game plan.
Ok slightly better than Johnny's take, but still not understanding what Dale brings to the table.
I don't think I said that with Dale, we win.
What are you saying about me and Dale against everybody else? That analogy is way off base too.
You guys are too much.
I'm going to ease off my commentary until I can find a match worth taking.
This is like beating my poor horse Friday to death. It's getting painful for me and probably others too.
Recap... tripleP writes one small post and bam... 80+ comments and counting in 1 day!!! That's the power to please people that PPP positively provides.
I doubt tripleP is going to write your game recap, but that's for him to decide.
Ron we see that Dale does bring things to the table, but it's just annoying how much weight you are all putting on us getting him and you guys having Mike
I leave at 11 with 20+ posts and come back at 8 and there's 80+. Are you kidding.
Ok Ron isn't getting much back up here, so in i come for some relief, sponsered by rolaids.
First off, Ron did say something during game one when dale came, he was mad that i told johnny he could have him. I figured we were up 3-1 and we had to give johnny someone good. Plus johnny overlooked one of his weaker draft picks and put him on my team.
Nonetheless, that is rediculous to say Dale wasn't great yesterday. You have me, Brett, and Ron as well as others who say he is a top player. Joe doesn't get many stats and we say he's good, how does this not make sense johnny?
I'm not complaining much about the teams, and i don't feel like singling guys out, but Dale was a top 3 player for dark team.
In the end Ron and I should play better and i want the guys i drafted on my team!!!
I'm going to morph into my inner brendon here too... I'm gonna say no one puts up with as much hacking, slashing, and tripping as i do.
Boom! Post done, did i do good PPP? can you and me take on riley and brett sunday? I'll play better, promise!
"Ok slightly better than Johnny's take, but still not understanding what Dale brings to the table."
Nice backhanded compliment. I understand what he brings-he has great coordination. Ron, I can balance my entire body on my left pinky toe while holding a plate on a stick. I must be the best hockey player in the world. That you even had to mention "intangibles" of that ilk should make it obvious that you are reaching to make your complaint look credible. This is weak and you know it.
"What are you saying about me and Dale against everybody else? That analogy is way off base too."
off base? Exaggerated, maybe, but it certainly pertains to the subject. I'm just showing how you over value Dale. Why don’t you continue to grasp at straws?
"I don't think I said that with Dale, we win."
Wow! Look at you slowly change your position! Well, you didn’t say those exact words. But you did say: "If we would have kept Dale and gave you any one of our D, I believe we would been more evenly matched throughout the night."
Let's face it Ron, we wouldn’t be having this conversation if you didn’t think Dale would have tip the scales.
"You guys are too much"
It's easy to be overwhelmed when you don’t have a leg to stand on. Perhaps you should talk with dale to work on your coordination.
"I'm going to ease off my commentary until I can find a match worth taking."
Oh man, Ron you’re so clever. Let me rephrase what your really mean: "I realize that I’m making myself look like an idiot, so Im going to go hide until someone starts to take a position worse than mine so I can look good."
"This is like beating my poor horse Friday to death. It's getting painful for me and probably others too."
Nope, I’m sure they find this entertaining.
"Recap... tripleP writes one small post and bam... 80+ comments and counting in 1 day!!! That's the power to please people that PPP positively provides.
I doubt tripleP is going to write your game recap, but that's for him to decide."
This can be summed up in one word: laziness.
I feel great, heartburn is gone. Ready for the next zinger. Where's Johnny?
"First off, Ron did say something during game one when dale came, he was mad that i told johnny he could have him. I figured we were up 3-1 and we had to give johnny someone good. Plus johnny overlooked one of his weaker draft picks and put him on my team."
I told Dale to go to your team...you drafted him-its where he belonged! And then you sent him over afetr YOU complained that you had too many subs. Johnny said "send who you want over!" You chose Dale when you could have sent over anyone else. (well, almost anyone :)
If Dale is such a great player, you wouldnt have let him go so easily. Stop making him up to be the best player in the world.
anyone up for getting a football game together?
Last season Dale had 51 points in 56 games (21 assists). That's less than a point per game
But here are the more interesting stats.
GA per game 3.46 The 3rd highest of players who were regular(more than 25 games)
Winning percentage was 67.85. Again 3rd highest among regulars
4th highest in Goals forced per game for a team at 4.20 among regulars (cliff and Mike P don't count)
So there are the stats. And you can't say because he doesn't score that he doesn't make a big differece.
Put those stats in your pipe and smoke them.
Well Nick I must admit your quite a trick.
An original thought, you have not
You quote other people
To try and stand on a steeple
A sore loser I'm not
But you sound like dry rot
I can't wait until next week
Havoc is what I will wreak
Nick i give you my word i sent dale over to be nice, you may not believe me but I actually do feel bad just sending a terrible player over and making him feel bad. we had 6 subs to your 4 so it was easier sending dale over who can take it and is good then sending a bad player over. Johnny will say send whoever you want but that's just passing the buck to me to make me be the bad guy and single out a bad player on my team. My hands are kinda tied don't you agree?
Nick, Dale is seriously a better player than you by the way, make a poll question you won't like the results. no offense but since your giving Ron a hard time i'll give you a reality check!
Sorry, guys, new tv shows on tonight - can't focus too much on posting right now!
Ron, I am one of the last ones to think the stat sheets mean anything in evaluating a player's worth. However you guys are severely overrating how Dale played yesterday.
This is not meant as a knock on Dale, but Dale's game on offense is very limited - look for a slapshot at every opportunity, or try to bust to the net for a back-hander. He doesn't typically hustle, doesn't pass, and usually doesn't sub enough. He is pretty good on defense, but that's not where we had him on Sunday. Dale has talent, sure, but he never has let it develop.
Guys that outplayed Dale on my team include Nick, Joe, Mike D, Danny, Lenny, Joel, and myself. Sorry, but he was definitely not top 3. And by the response of my teammates so far, they obviously agree.
And Jared, if you think Dale is as great as he is, why do you never pick him until the end? If he's a top player then take him in the top 4 or 5.
I vote Nick hands down.
Jared, for what it's worth, you pick teams with me every week. You know I try to make them as fair as possible.
i agree johnny great shows tonight, i got house on and its awesome, and i have a feeling BB may like dale, and he would get drafted higher but he always shows up late.
Jared did you get your phone fixed?
Johny I should be in for Sunday.
After all the post today I can't miss this coming week
Johnny of course you team thought he was bad cause you were on his team and you don't like his style of play. That's the problem you get mad when he doesn't play your style. You have to play to his strengths.
But when the opposing team commends an opposing player, it holds more weight cause they had to actually play aginst him. Where as he might have frustrated you with some of the plays he made, which makes your opinion of his play drop in stature.
"Nick, Dale is seriously a better player than you by the way, make a poll question you won't like the results. no offense but since your giving Ron a hard time i'll give you a reality check!"
Ummmm...are you kidding? Im not trying to make this into Im better than him or he's better than me debate. Its a waste of time. But You act as if Dale is Sidney Crosby. Thats my only point. But thanks for making me feel like a terrible hockey player (letting my brendon out 2 i guess)
"Johnny of course you team thought he was bad cause you were on his team and you don't like his style of play. That's the problem you get mad when he doesn't play your style. You have to play to his strengths.
But when the opposing team commends an opposing player, it holds more weight cause they had to actually play aginst him. Where as he might have frustrated you with some of the plays he made, which makes your opinion of his play drop in stature."
brett, that was well said. I'm not saying dale is a bad hockey player...he just isnt a difference maker!
"Nick, Dale is seriously a better player than you by the way, make a poll question you won't like the results. no offense but since your giving Ron a hard time i'll give you a reality check!"
"you made fun of my Daddy, so Im going to go after you!"
If Dale is so good why didn't he go to Montreal?
cause montreal was also a vacation and none of us are really close with Dale so it would have been awkward
sorry nick but the stat guru's stats are pretty convincing, showing that he is a difference maker
with all the whooplah (sound it out) today over the teams, BB would like to announce a very special early board posting...
What did we learn last weekend? A good defense beats (beets?) a good offense (offence?) and a decent offense beats a mediocre defense.
on we go!
1) Ron- Dark team focused in on Ron and he still got his sunday. Him and Jared were not clicking but that slapshot from anywhere can keep any team in the game.
2) Brett- The healthiest, happiest, heartiest, and...well that's it for the h's...will be back sunday almost guaranteed to be the point leader. BB is calling out Joe to be the shut down defender on Brett.
3) J Riley- In the end Jared had 2 out of the 3 best players and Johnny came out on top. Plus he's become a package deal with Jack in net, which makes for a deadly combo.
4) Jared- becoming the one dimensional "phil kessel" of street hockey. It sounds like an insult but then you realize that Jared playing pick up street hockey just got compared to a borderline superstar in the NHL.
5) Dale- who should BB put at the ever changing #5 spot on the board? Oh wait, it's already posted! Yes it's dale shooting up the board with his great defensive play. Just show up on time dale, you'll be picked high.
6) Joel- Passing is the most underrated attribut in hockey and that's what joel in great at. His shot is still off but he scored some clutch goals.
7) Griff- Worked his way onto the Jared and Ron line and played alright. He's probably the 3rd best center behind riley and brett though.
8) Joe- Comes out with something to prove every week and the board loves it. Nothing is more intimidating than squaring up for a shot and you have a for no reason ticked off mike d running at you, riley bearing down on you with those size 20 shoes filled with led, Jack perfectly square up in net, and Joe, laying down, sweep checking with his face right at your stick challenging your best slap shot.
9) Mike D- BB is torn between Mike and Chris, but at this ever important 2 week checkpoint it seems mike's speed and skill is outweighing chris' strength and mustache.
10) Chris- Have you ever bought the gillete quattro with that special single blade on the back and wonder what that's for? It's for chris' mustache.
11) Brendon- He got the short end of the stick (not literally at all) with the lines sunday. Didn't get to play much with ron or jared and still had a decent game. Look for him back in the top ten.
12) Nick- "Nick" that's me reposting nick again just in case no one read nick the first time. I don't care if that made sense, the point is Nick, you don't have to put past posts in quotes, and that rhymes! Lee rhymes with dee!!! ahahahaha!
13) Matt- he encourages people to pick a part his game, but BB says he is not a "door mat". His game is improving like adam sandler's movies, oh wait.
14) Jack- Sunday 6:43 p.m
j Riley- okay jared time to pick the teams, you can have ron but i get my dad, miked, joel, joe and you have to take kazes and pay me 50$ and eat this bag of sand.
jared- thanks johnny
15) Dane- that's danny and shane fused together to make one player. Since their abilities are about the same this fusion doesn't make Dane much better. Was that another razor reference?
Jared, how's that sand taste?
what if joe is on my team BB?
Enough with the package deals! Why are we saying, I have to have him on my team, or you have to have him if you take her. Wait. What? I'm confusing myself.
Listen, the only time you should have one player be taken in tandem is if it is a matter of safety - such as when Ron took little Ron on his team so he wouldn't hit his own son with his powerful slapshot and have to explain it to his wife at the hospital.
Other than that, which shouldn't happen often at all, pick the players normally, including goalies.
If you think a goalie will make all the difference, then pick him higher. If you know how many people are there, you should be able to figure out who has the last pick (it's simple math people) by who picks first. If you know you have the last pick, and are afraid that you will be getting a "weaker" player that could unbalance your lines, then make your picks accordingly to make up for it.
For example, if you have nowhere to put someone but on a second O-line, and you think that this line will be a problem, then you should pick 3 or 4 guys who can handle themselves on offense to make up for it. Guys like Dale, who, as we all know have many bad points (lets not start this debate again) can move the puck into the zone without needing anyone else, and therefore are going to help you when you are shorthanded in talent.
In summary: Make better picks! No bargaining, no agreements, no two-for-one deals. The only thing I would concede is if you both got the second pick (not the first) and the last pick, then perhaps you might want to give the last pick to whoever had the first pick. Other than that, the teams should come out fair, goalies included. Simplify!
There is not always package deals. Some weeks there are.
The logic of always picking players one for one doesn't work. Sometimes there are two players that are much worse than everyone else. Or there might be times when we don't have two lines, and that player might have a lot of ice time.
So far, the teams have been picked fairly, IMO. Keep in mind, the goal is not to have each team win the same number of games each week. The goal is for each team to have an equal shot at winning. Just because one team wins more game than the other, it doesn't mean that the teams were not picked fairly.
But, if there's still continued complaints by some about the teams, here's a suggestion to take care of the problem: This week either Jared and Ron, Ron and Brett, or Jared and Brett can be captains. Pick the teams how you want, and then we'll compare the results.
It doesnt matter who the captains are as long is it is picked one for one it will even out.
YES! Just pick teams. It will work out. Then at least you wont have people complaining that they didnt get the team that they picked. If they dont like the teams its their own fault!!!
why not just pick 2 random people and let them pick the teams?
cuz not everyone can evaluate talent enough to pick them fairly. It would almost certainly be a mess.
http://playerstatistics.blogspot.com/2009/02/recap.html
150 posts is the record. Let's break it!
if you picked 2 guys that show up regularly they'd be able to pick the teams fine
John & Jared come every week and your saying they don't pick teams well so how could any else do any worse.
I personally think they pick them fine. I've been on both ends.
Rotate the guys who pick out of the regulars that show up every week - 2 different guys a week out of say six or eight regulars…
Generally the teams have been pretty even, some of us need to pick up our game a bit. I think you guys (john & Jared) do a pretty good job of picking teams. Some times it will make for all good games and sometimes for some blowouts.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents and be part of the everlasting blog!
By the way Thanks for the shaving tips! I know I have a lot to work on , do you think if I lose the stache my gameplay will be better??
How bout these teams
Jared Brett
Ron John
Mike Joel
Brendon Griff
Chris Joe
Dale Nick
Matt Lee
Danny Shane
?? ??
?? ??
Works for me. Ron, Is that how you'd rank em? :)
place all the sticks in the middle and throw them! let the hockey gods decide!
I'll take those teams
No this is not ranked from top to bottom.
But I do have the opposites as a wash, with 2 exceptions. One for Jared's side the other for Brett's side.
But like somebody pointed out, on any given Sunday player(s) can be ON or OFF... so that will inevitably make or break a teams momentum for that night.
I like those teams, blogging slowed today, i was disappointed coming home from work.
Nick did you notice you got paired up with Dale?
so he is clearly not a better player then me I guess. We are a wash :)
btw, those teams are fine...who gets what goalie?
interesting ron, jared, and riley are tied in points and games played this year.
i would say that Jareds team gets the better goalie cause i think we have the better D.
If everyone likes the teams why can't we keep them this way every week?
Granted some players wont show every week. But i'd sure like it if i worked with the same people every week
hmmm...im not sure. Granted it would lead to better team chemistry but I like playing with different people every week.
But I do love playing D with Joe.
i think it would build rivalries and make games better cause one team would want to beat the other team after maybe losing for a whole week.
One adjustment though. I think we should have Brendon
I like the same team philosophy for sure.
During our Friday nite ice hockey games I have 4 or 5 core guys always up against each other, week in and week out.
It definitely builds familiarity with the guys and the games are generally very competitive.
Of course we mix it up sometimes.
Again in ice hockey, the white team is pass happy. They pass and pass some more. Sometimes making some unbelievable plays.
My team, the dark side, is 1 or 2 passes MAX and shoot. We drill the goalie every week.
Mark Neal is one regular goalies and keeps track of shots. He sometimes faces 75 shots in about 75 minutes of hockey.
Alright Brett, you can have Brendon.
Me and you can switch sides then :)
Either way, I'm shuttin you down little man.
i agree, it would be fun having rivalry games against somewhat the same guys, maybe change it up every month or so.
I'd like to see what some other people think?
Let's see peoples 5 against 5 and then you blend in the remaining 4-8 others during game day.
Ron, if we are to have the same teams every week that means you have to be there every week.
will you be there every week? or atleast 82% of the time?
"2. Jared - Yeah, yeah, I know what you're gonna say. Why is he up here? And at number 2? Listen, some days Jared comes to play. Other days he comes to whine and complain and lose. Not this time. Well, he did lose twice. 'But if he puts half of the shots in that were only milimeters away from going in, the white team wins at least two games, if not, maybe all three.' according to one scout (see what I did there, nick?) Jared came to play. He just forgot to bring a team with him. Next time hold your ground and don't cave in to Johnny's demands for "fair" teams"
Let me quote, lol. how did you find out who the scout is?
this Nick is getting under my skin. hes like an itchy rash that won't go way
Just a thought:
Jared Ron
Brett John
Mike Joel
Brendon Griff
Chris Joe
Dale Nick
Matt Lee
Danny Shane
Lenny Bradley
Reggie Stuffed Bunny
Better Goalie / Worse Goalie
?? ??
I'd be for having some established teams each week and then dividing up the rest of the players, provided that's what everyone would like to do.
Either of the proposed teams works for me.
I think this is a better way
Ron Jared
John Brett
Joel Mike
Griff Brendon
Joe Chris
Nick Dale
Lee Matt
Shane Danny
Bradley Lenny
Stuffed Bunny Reggie
Worse Goalie / Better Goalie
??? ???
?? ??
? ?
How come everbody always has me playing against myself? Come on guys let me play against somebody else for a change
I like the set teams, get to learn all your teamates. I think every ones game will improve. Especially my own!
I like it... do it!!!
Well Chris is on board so I guess that's all there is to it. It's done.
And apparently someone who posted before him is cracking himself up. You are so funny I forgot to laugh. Oh, wait, that wasn't funny either.
Here is a challenge to anyone who wants to raise there level of playing ability.
If we can get 20 players again, who would volunteer to go up, head to head, against the Quintuplets?
Jared Ron
John
Joel
Brett
Joe
Well you got 6 people there and Quintuplets is 5, so no one will take that challeng. But I nominate Brendon anyway!
Ron is the 1st volunteer, he needs 4 more guys
I like the set team idea
then change them up every month or so
me too. Lets just go with the set teams that were picked out.
Ron Jared
John Brett
Joel Mike
Griff Brendon
Joe Chris
Nick Dale
Lee Matt
Shane Danny
Bradley Lenny
Worse Goalie / Better Goalie
This ia a
This is a
record-setting
151st post!
Johnny, is Kasis coming this weekend?
If he is and since we're playing only until 8:00 I can bring Ronnie to play opposite him.
Not sure about Kazes, I'll have to find out.
Since we have to be done by eight, let's plan on starting by 5:45 this week too.
why are joe and nick on the same team in every list?
They are the two best d-men. They should be split up. Taking into account that Joe is obviously the better one.
Ron Jared
John Brett
Joel Mike
Griff Brendon
Chris Joe
Nick Dale
Lee Matt
Shane Danny
Bradley Lenny
Worse Goalie / Better Goalie
Happy now?
My only suggestion with that would be switching Joe over makes our side a little weak defensively. I think we should swap Brad and Lenny or we should end up with the better goalie.
My list
John Ron
Brett Jared
Mike D Joel
Brendon Griff
Joe Chris
Dale Nick
Lee Matt
Shane Danny
Lenny Bradley
Worse Goalie / Better Goalie
Yes i know jared me and JR have to be together. and you get bradley
But For the month that dave is here you will probably win most of the games so look forward to october.
The only thing i worry about is people will complain the teams aren't fair and want change half way through the night (namely me and jared) But maybe if we know those are the set teams for a month, no matter what, then there will be less complaining about team members. Cause your gonna have to play with them for the next month so there's no point in complaining about them one week cause your gonna have them the next week too.
Maybe some of the insults will turn to constructive critisism instead.
i meant to say....... yes i know, Jared, that me and JR have to be together.
my original comment could have been taken differently
what if the goalies are Jimmy and Dave? and Even teams
Does the team with Jimmy have any chance of winning?
hey johnny there's something wrong with the career stats.
They are posted twice on the same page but one looks updated and the other doesn't
let's just go with ron's original teams, they were the best matchups and everyone agrees they're fair, unless my team loses, in which case they aren't fair.
i agree with jared.
But who gets the better goalie?
Let me offer another suggestion.
The goalies alternate sides each week.
Ron original teams
(Cause I had to scroll so far back to find them)
How bout these teams
Jared Brett
Ron John
Mike Joel
Brendon Griff
Chris Joe
Dale Nick
Matt Lee
Danny Shane
?? ??
?? ??
Yeah, it looks like Nick posted the latest career stats underneath the ones from last week. The second set are the correct ones.
I agree with Ron, the goalies can either alternate, or the team that loses the previous week gets their pick of goalie for the coming week.
I think a lot of weeks (if it's Steve against my father) the goaltending should be fairly balanced though.
I think my father / Steve are close to a wash, and they each have an advantage over Jimmy right now (although Jimmy's played better than he did last year). Tony would be the next step up, and then Dave.
Dave against Jimmy would be an extreme, but he'll likely be facing off against Steve while he's here.
"this Nick is getting under my skin. hes like an itchy rash that won't go way"
Yo mama!
why are joe and nick on the same team in every list?
shhhh!!!
so Dave..... when are you moving back out here so we can have a decent goalie for montreal next year?
was brett bad?
He probably moved away to get away from nags like yourself.
The guys got the life! Works remotely when he wants, gets paid while on vacation, comes home when he wants and stays for as long as he wants.
Best of all he leaves when he gets sick our dumb looking mugs!
Can't wait to see you Dave!
But wait a second, "You Don't Even Know Me"
Ugh, I'm on the same level as Bradley. Boy, I have to step up my game.
I'm against the set teams. May lead to too much competition. Just my two cents...
Go back to bed Lenny and dream about playing better than Bradley.
Hockey is a game of competition. You simply need to enforce playing a clean fun game.
That was me BTW... No offense Lenny
was Brett that bad?
No, he wants to play out
with in 5 minutes of us loosing our second game he said "If I was out, & we had Ron, Scotty, & or Billy we have done better"
He wants John, Jared, himself, along with somone along the lines (we love all 3) of Ron, Billy, Scott
2nd round playoff game
The 200th post or the very last identified person's post should be the focus of a Special Feature. They can be privately interviewed my PPP, WPR and BB.
The post will be written in their honor and then we toast and roast them all week long!!!
If the 200th poster doesn't have the stones to take the thrashing, then we could take the first brave soul who identifies himself.
Sound good? Not so good? Is it as bad as ?? not wanting to be up against himself :)
Hockey without competition is called a get together or a cook out.
You can't have hockey and no competition.
if everyone agrees on the teams then i think it will eliminate arguing seeing as most of our fights are over who's on who's team......or it's about griff being too rough and trying to kill jared
Only 1 more day to vote on if the background image stays or goes.
Only 11 people so far, I think there are about 18-20 readers in this crazy community.
i'm gonna say that Bredon comes back and makes the 200th post
as he need to be 200 to get ripped on this blog.
With all these posts I don't see anyone screaming for a recap
do we have to call Mike D, Mike D anymore?
Mike W isn't here anymore.
That is unless Mike likes having the D cause it stands for defense.....or maybe it stands for decent
Yes there can be
room for you & me
we write the rhymes for all to see
Looking ahead to week 3
will we see Reggie
Jareds got some serious game
his team picking is really lame
back on D we rely on Nick
Last night he was a wall of Brick
Joel didn't play out of sight
hurt his leg and limped all night
the staple was back on D
played really solid back there Lee
Brendon had some good plays
seems to be changing some of his ways
Ron had 3 goals in game one
rest of the night he was on the run
Joe came sliding on in
and slid out with a win
in net we had Jack
incredible save from his back
think we've fixed jareds team woes
set teams, oposing foes
Hopefully Brendon won't go into a rut
come flying into you with his butt
it should be good week, don't fret
even if Jimmy's in net
Mike in the middle did pretty well
Even when he almost rang Jareds bell
Don't worry if your name I miss
I'll get you next time I do this
well he rarely plays D anymore and is he even considered decent?
it's time to stop rhyming lee wth D
I'd say it either stands for Dominant or Dinky
ok so then we can drop the D
or maybe it stands for Doing steroids still
Dinky - what the heck does dinky mean?
Thanks Brett - thanks!!!
:-)
oh and again
I don't do and never did steroids
we can't stall out at 192
let's go people - POST!!!
Definitions of dinky:
* noun: a small locomotive
* adjective: small and insignificant
Time to Rhyme is in his prime
He writes his stuff off the cuff
Who played last week, I do not know
It was way too long ago
Like you said, week 3 is dead ahead
Who will step up, to the measuring cup
That kid Nick is in someones sights
The way he quotes people really bits.
That's all I've got
because I've forgot
I'll be back next week
from mozambique.
bits
u forgot the "e"
A waste of time this was not
A reader I have, who's on the spot
I've made a note to check my spelling
But by all means do keep telling
Ok once again I must go
I'll be back soon with a new show
Mike, for the record, I don't believe you're on the roids...hgh though...
Goalies this week are Jimmy and my father
so who gets who? What would be fairest?
Thanks John
Apparently someone thinks I'm Dinky too
This is just great
I'll take 200
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